Lets discuss Kyle Drabek

[fireballW]

I would bet that isn't the case.

 

There are maybe 4 or 5 pitchers in the MLB that it would be a safe bet to actually bet on to breakout. It's very clear way more pitchers bust than breakout. There are lots of arguments against Drabek, but some good ones for him.

[fireballW]

I remember when Halladay trade made, every poster was saying no chance Drabek end up another Marty Janzen.

 

Halladay's career path is still the one that reminds me the most of Drabek. I just can't write off his control like some people can. He went from decent control to terrible control to amazing control, same as Halladay. Injuries are a clear difference between the two, but coming up Drabek was never a guy expected to run into big control problems. He has it in him to throw strikes and at the end of last year he was just tooooo good with his control for me to write it off as SSS.

[Convo]

Drabek looks like a bust to me... Please do not compare him to Halladay, that's just dumb.

[Caper]

They kept talking about the fight for the 5th starter...... but who is the 4th starter?

 

I have Buehrle, Morrow and Dickie locked in.... who is the 4th?

[torontofan]

Happ I would think.

[LGBJ29]

They kept talking about the fight for the 5th starter...... but who is the 4th starter?

 

I have Buehrle, Morrow and Dickie locked in.... who is the 4th?

 

I guess since Happ changed his arm angle and had a decent ERA in his last like 2 starts last year AA said f*** it give it to this guy

[Convo]

2 game sample size, ya that sounds about right for AA to make key rotation decisions

[Convo]

Also can we stop with the thinking that every failed starter should be converted into a reliever. Drabek is the last guy I'd want pitching in relief.

[fireballW]

Drabek looks like a bust to me... Please do not compare him to Halladay, that's just dumb.

 

Ur dumn

[KSaw]

very pedestrian minor league results

1.04 K/BB in 170 major league innings

two tommy john surgeries

26 years old

 

BUST

 

Nasty, nasty late movement on his fastball and good breaking stuff. Little to no command and that explains the numbers. Either he harnesses it or he doesn't but he's not a bust yet. The problem is that the two TJ Surgeries probably make him a future reliever. Reminds me of Todd Stottlemyre but just a little off.

[GD]

There are maybe 4 or 5 pitchers in the MLB that it would be a safe bet to actually bet on to breakout. It's very clear way more pitchers bust than breakout. There are lots of arguments against Drabek, but some good ones for him.

 

"Safe bets" to breakout. Right. And you just know Drabek is one of them. Gotcha.

[fireballW]

"Safe bets" to breakout. Right. And you just know Drabek is one of them. Gotcha.

 

Seriously. How can somebody be dumb enough to read that post and get out of it that I would bet on Drabek breaking out. God people here are getting dumber all the time. The whole point to the post was to say OBVIOUSLY nobody would BET on Drabek to break out. that there are only a very few pitchers you would BET to breakout. But that my gut says Drabek will this year and there are some good reasons too, despite all the negative ones people are pointing out. Just wow.

[GD]

Seriously. How can somebody be dumb enough to read that post and get out of it that I would bet on Drabek breaking out. God people here are getting dumber all the time. The whole point to the post was to say OBVIOUSLY nobody would BET on Drabek to break out. that there are only a very few pitchers you would BET to breakout.

 

Drabek will be one of the 2 breakout pitchers this year.

 

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[Angrioter]

This is the baseball ........

Talented young arms fail (Drabek, Van Poppel, Harden, Deck McGuire, Pulsipher) and less talented guys manage to be successful (Brandon Webb, Doug Fister, Lohse, Colon)

 

Todd Van Poppel --5-- Drabek -------------55------------- Brandon Webb

[fireballW]

http://angryfeministkilljoy.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/you-tried-gold-star.png

 

You are quoting me earlier in the thread where I said I think Drabek will be one of our teams two breakout pitchers and somehow using that as evidence against me in a later post where I am making a "well durh obviously nobody would BET MONEY on Drabek breaking out because there are only 4 or 5 guys in all of baseball safe enough to bet on a breakout season." Congratulations on being completely oblivious to being a dumbass and I look forward to watching you flail away further on this topic to try and convince people that I meant something other than what I typed for no apparent reason.

[Jimcanuck]

Drabek has MLB experience. He also has great stuff. Right up there with Sanchez and McGowan for the best stuff on the club.

 

At this point in time, you run him out there every 5 days, sink or swim or arm fall off.

 

He's the 5th starter.

[The Cats Ass]

I'd break it down like this...

 

6% - Bust and never see him again.

37% - s*****/Average Reliever

30% - Good Reliever

15% - #5 Starter

9% - #3 Starter

2% - #1/2 Starter

1% - Mystery Prize

[The_DH]

Drabek has MLB experience. He also has great stuff. Right up there with Sanchez and McGowan for the best stuff on the club.

 

At this point in time, you run him out there every 5 days, sink or swim or arm fall off.

 

He's the 5th starter.

 

True he's got the stuff. He just seems to have a five cent head. That is the problem to overcome.

[LGBJ29]

2 game sample size, ya that sounds about right for AA to make key rotation decisions

 

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/toronto-blue-jays-hope-ja-happs-adjustment-makes-a-huge-impact/

 

Im sorry 3 starts...

[G-Snarls]

I'd break it down like this...

 

6% - Bust and never see him again.

37% - s*****/Average Reliever

30% - Good Reliever

15% - #5 Starter

9% - #3 Starter

2% - #1/2 Starter

1% - Mystery Prize

 

Can I trade him for what's behind door #2??

 

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-3U4tiYtP9MQ/TdKEzwoOIuI/AAAAAAAAAXk/bl-MDYChMas/s1600/door-number-one-lets-make-a-deal.jpg

[Angrioter]

AdamRubinESPN

Noah Syndergaard has struck out 5 thru 1.2 IP. Sitting at 96-97 mph. Jeurys Familia that velo too.

[G-Snarls]

AdamRubinESPN

Noah Syndergaard has struck out 5 thru 1.2 IP. Sitting at 96-97 mph. Jeurys Familia that velo too.

 

Did the Mets insist on Syndergaard, or would they have taken Sanchez?

 

Not that it matters anymore of course, but just curious

[KingKat]

Did the Mets insist on Syndergaard, or would they have taken Sanchez?

 

Not that it matters anymore of course, but just curious

 

Jays just asked what it would take to land Dickey and the answer was Syndi + D'Arnaud and the other prospect. I'd like to think they would have accepted Sanchez as a 2nd choice but that wasn't necessarily AA's preference.

[8D]

I think they wanted either, but Jays chose to give up Syn because Sanchez has the higher cieling. AA's philosophy when trading studs is to not trade the one w/ the higher cieling.

But looking back, he shouldn have made this trade altogether.

[G-Snarls]

Jays just asked what it would take to land Dickey and the answer was Syndi + D'Arnaud and the other prospect. I'd like to think they would have accepted Sanchez as a 2nd choice but that wasn't necessarily AA's preference.

 

Sure. And it was a coin toss as far as I was concerned at the time. Wanted to keep both, but didn't really prefer one over the other in the trade. In retrospect we almost certainly traded the better pitcher, but we'll see in a few years.

[Angrioter]

Did the Mets insist on Syndergaard, or would they have taken Sanchez?

 

Not that it matters anymore of course, but just curious

 

Sandy Aldenson

"I want the one who throw strikes"

 

Alex

"Nolin"?

 

Sandy Aldenson

"lol f*** No......Noah"

[z3r0s]

I think they wanted either, but Jays chose to give up Syn because Sanchez has the higher cieling. AA's philosophy when trading studs is to not trade the one w/ the higher cieling.

But looking back, he shouldn have made this trade altogether.

 

Not just bad when you look back at all. We were all sick when we heard that the 'second prospect' was Syndergaard. Bad move was bad right from the start.

[G-Snarls]

Not just bad when you look back at all. We were all sick when we heard that the 'second prospect' was Syndergaard. Bad move was bad right from the start.

 

Sure. Team did so s*** last year you'd rather have TDA and Syn back. They would have helped the team in 2014 some, and 2015 big time.

[z3r0s]

Sure. Team did so s*** last year you'd rather have TDA and Syn back. They would have helped the team in 2014 some, and 2015 big time.

 

I was more commenting on how nobody liked the deal even when we thought we were WS contenders. People weren't in despair mode because the team looked a lot better, but everyone instantly thought it was a VAST overpay when they found out that Syndergaard was heading there as well.

[KingKat]

Not just bad when you look back at all. We were all sick when we heard that the 'second prospect' was Syndergaard. Bad move was bad right from the start.

 

Yep is was bad but the team had backed itself against the wall with the Marlins trade. They took on a bunch of salary and sacrificed a lot of future and they needed to make sure it worked so they kept adding. Truth is if they were going to do the all in thing, they should have done more. Trade Sanchez too, build a truly great team, one with an actual starting catcher and an actual starting 2B. I wasn't crazy about the direction they took but once they did, they should have been even more aggresive. They left too much to chance and they are doing it again. If the plan isn't to trade Bautista while he still has value than build around him properly. They keep half-assing it and it's getting the team nowhere.