The one and only Masahiro Tanaka posting and bidding thread

[Gorlak]

It depends. It's possible that Tanaka said specifically that he wasn't interested in Toronto, in which case there's no point. I don't recall who listed the teams who bid, but unless the list was posted by his agent it's also possible that other teams bid that have been kept quiet so far.

 

Or if it was expressed in advance that he wouldn't go to certain cities, So they didn't bother with offers.

[Chappy]

I never expected us to get Tanaka and even stated that I prefer going after other FA options that won't cost nearly as much, but it's quite surprising that a formal offer wasn't even submitted if true. Either AA expects to sign/trade for an arm or we have no more money,

[Angrioter]

Holy f*** this team is embarrassing. They had $150 million for Buehrle and Reyes, while selling the farm, but no money for a player who's actually in his prime and costs only cash.

 

~130 millions

[ElNik2013]

I never expected them to sign him so I can't say I'm disappointed. I have strong suspicions there isn't much money available and all signs point to Goins at 2B and Happ, Rogers, Redmond, McGowan, Hutchison and even Drabek battling it out for #4-5. I guess they could still sign one of the remaining starters, but I suspect the market will pick up for them once Tanaka signs this week.

 

I wanted them to get Ruiz, Infante/Ellis and Baker, but only Baker remains and he's a Boras client and we know uncle Beeston won't give Boras a penny.

[Key22]

If the Yankees don't think Santana or Jiminez are any goo d why would the Jays? The Yankees can generally scout. In AA's interview on the fan 590 pay close attention to some of the things he said regarding to talking to "all the free agent pitcher's agents". He talked about make-up being a factor in their budgeting. The FA pitchers have make-up issues. He also claims there are available pitchers via trade - who will be around in spring training or later and will likely still be available. Of course these could be AAAA scrubs.

[xposbrad]

Holy f*** this team is embarrassing. They had $150 million for Buehrle and Reyes, while selling the farm, but no money for a player who's actually in his prime and costs only cash.

 

AA prefers players near the end of their careers or on the decline for some reason. Plus, like you said, he wouldn't cost any prospects, so that goes against AA's philosophy of destroying the farm.

[Ehjays]

Pretty disappointed we didn't even make an offer.

 

 

I have to agree, like you never know how much other clubs were gonna bid, Just bid something FFS

[The Cats Ass]

When is the end of the negotiation window?

[Ehjays]

It's just annoying hearing AA talk about his scouting edge and then not even get involved with free agents that make sense. If you want to complain that big-time free agents won't come here, fine. But mid-tier free agents and international free agents will chase the money, and he's shown no interest in either. Guys like Ryu, Puig, Chapman, Darvish, Iwakuma, Abreu, Cespedes, and now Tanaka have signed pretty fair deals while AA and his scouts are left holding their dicks and complaining about market prices - something you lose the right to complain about when you trade the farm and a truck full of money for Reyes and f***ing Mark Buehrle.

 

I'm not saying that I'm disappointed that they aren't landing Tanaka, but I did expect them to get involved. By all accounts the guy is a likely 3-4 win starter entering his age-25 season, and for a team that has spent all offseason looking for starting pitching there aren't many excuses for not getting involved here. Why the f*** would a team pay $50+ million for three years of Mark Buehrle if they can't scrape together $140 million for a 25-year old with front-rotation potential?

 

Sadly we will be left without once again.

[Brenner]

It's just annoying hearing AA talk about his scouting edge and then not even get involved with free agents that make sense. If you want to complain that big-time free agents won't come here, fine. But mid-tier free agents and international free agents will chase the money, and he's shown no interest in either. Guys like Ryu, Puig, Chapman, Darvish, Iwakuma, Abreu, Cespedes, and now Tanaka have signed pretty fair deals while AA and his scouts are left holding their dicks and complaining about market prices - something you lose the right to complain about when you trade the farm and a truck full of money for Reyes and f***ing Mark Buehrle.

 

I'm not saying that I'm disappointed that they aren't landing Tanaka, but I did expect them to get involved. By all accounts the guy is a likely 3-4 win starter entering his age-25 season, and for a team that has spent all offseason looking for starting pitching there aren't many excuses for not getting involved here. Why the f*** would a team pay $50+ million for three years of Mark Buehrle if they can't scrape together $140 million for a 25-year old with front-rotation potential?

 

Agreed, there is no reason to take on Mark Buehrle if you aren't willing to add some payroll for a FA that improves the team. Last offseason's moves didn't work out last year, but they did at least add some pieces ( 2 SP and a SS) that could help us win this year if we add a little more. If nothing happens it will be incredibly frustrating and essentially signal that those moves were made to sell some tickets for a year or two, not to compete, and will have cost us a ton of future assets. If you are going to make those kinds of going for it moves then go for it, since then AA has essentially sat on his hands.

 

If the Jays suck again they better atleast start selling some of these assets, I hate the in between. Last year I can accept, they tried and failed but alteast they tried. They need to either accept they failed and sell or try again.

[John_Havok]

When is the end of the negotiation window?

 

This Friday the 24th at 5pm eastern

[FireAlexAnthopoulos]

Holy f*** this team is embarrassing. They had $150 million for Buehrle and Reyes, while selling the farm, but no money for a player who's actually in his prime and costs only cash.

 

Seriously. Don't get me wrong, I'm not really on board with all these foreign free agents getting huge contracts before proving anything at the MLB level, but this whole cheaping-out schtick from AA this offseason is a joke considering how much he shelled out for last year's mediocrity. If you're not going to spend, at least do the smart thing and rebuild from the ground up, because this current roster is trash.

 

If I didn't know any better, I'd think AA stood for Atrocious AssetManagement.

[xposbrad]

Seriously. Don't get me wrong, I'm not really on board with all these foreign free agents getting huge contracts before proving anything at the MLB level, but this whole cheaping-out schtick from AA this offseason is a joke considering how much he shelled out for last year's mediocrity. If you're not going to spend, at least do the smart thing and rebuild from the ground up, because this current roster is trash.

 

If I didn't know any better, I'd think AA stood for Atrocious AssetManagement.

 

Not many would disagree with you. If the plan was to not add payroll this coming year and make no improvements, then they should have already made trades and dump players to retool for future years. Like, the fact AA thinks just because this team 'COULD' be healthier this year and that alone makes this team a playoff team, then he's living on another planet. Better, possibly, but the fans, vegas, and every GM in MLB knows this team is no where near a playoff team.

[DuckDuckGose]

Is there a reason why those who bid would have become public, or some sort of bidding deadline? Either I'm missing something or the Jays could still be interested, after all AA always says if you hear the rumours in the paper the deal is unlikely to happen.

[Anemic0ffense]

Is there a reason why those who bid would have become public, or some sort of bidding deadline? Either I'm missing something or the Jays could still be interested, after all AA always says if you hear the rumours in the paper the deal is unlikely to happen.

 

It amazes that fans of this team (even smart fans) still hold out hope that this FO will do the smart thing. This org is either greedy, dumb, or both and things WILL NOT change until everything is torn apart from top to bottom. Rogers may be gazillionaires, but last year and maybe 2006 was the first time this team has actually opened the wallets. Forget it. We'll be rolling into the season as is.

[DuckDuckGose]

I fully expect them to go with current group + a couple minor additions. That being said is there any reason why the BJ's would have to make a bid public?

[xposbrad]

It amazes that fans of this team (even smart fans) still hold out hope that this FO will do the smart thing. This org is either greedy, dumb, or both and things WILL NOT change until everything is torn apart from top to bottom. Rogers may be gazillionaires, but last year and maybe 2006 was the first time this team has actually opened the wallets. Forget it. We'll be rolling into the season as is.

 

I'm not sure about greed, the payroll is at a number that I think is justified given the size of the market. It's just not optimized which is why the blue jays will suck again this year. Now, if we didn't have any hope, what would be the point of being a fan? Granted, the hope is a very very very very small percentage, it still is there because we got surprised last year with the trades/increase in payroll so fans still hope for a possibility the Jays will do something again.

[Anemic0ffense]

I'm not sure about greed, the payroll is at a number that I think is justified given the size of the market. It's just not optimized which is why the blue jays will suck again this year. Now, if we didn't have any hope, what would be the point of being a fan? Granted, the hope is a very very very very small percentage, it still is there because we got surprised last year with the trades/increase in payroll so fans still hope for a possibility the Jays will do something again.

 

I understand all of this, but it makes no sense to stand pat after the season they just had. Maybe if they missed the playoffs by a few games, you can tinker with the current roster, but far too often this FO banks on miracles (A fully healthy year, which is impossible with this roster... and rebound years). It's a f***ing joke really. I know you can win without spending, but you just don't stand pat after winning 70 something games in an "all-in" season. Eh, f*** this team.

[Anemic0ffense]

Silver lining in all of this... AnFLOPolous gets axed after another year of comedy on the field

 

Edit: along with Beeston

[SAAviour]

Patience my blue jay friends, patience.

Off season isn't over yet.

[KingKat]

I understand all of this, but it makes no sense to stand pat after the season they just had. Maybe if they missed the playoffs by a few games, you can tinker with the current roster, but far too often this FO banks on miracles (A fully healthy year, which is impossible with this roster... and rebound years). It's a f***ing joke really. I know you can win without spending, but you just don't stand pat after winning 70 something games in an "all-in" season. Eh, f*** this team.

 

They have made slight corrections to run prevention with Navarro and Goins although neither player is expecting to contribute a lot of value overall. That's basically it as far as corrections to last year's team. Positional depth is till very thin, especially at 3B (if Lawrie as usual misses significant time, they may have to shift Bautisata back there for lack of options). Pitching depth is somewhat improved by the availability of Hutch, Stroman and Drabek but with a back end of Morrow/Happ/Redmond that depth probably won't be a luxury and we will be probably see yet another rotating cast of pitchers unless there are major breakout seasons. So basically the lessons learned from last season are that Izturis and JPA are not starting players on a contending team but Goins and Navarro might be. Beyond that, it's just cross your fingers that you can get more out of what you have.

 

It's weird the way Anthoopoulos has gone from seeming like a savvy GM with a plan to looking completely overwhelmed by the task of putting together a roster. Maybe he just stop listening to the right people and started listening to the wrong ones.

[Angrioter]

It's just annoying hearing AA talk about his scouting edge and then not even get involved with free agents that make sense. If you want to complain that big-time free agents won't come here, fine. But mid-tier free agents and international free agents will chase the money, and he's shown no interest in either. Guys like Ryu, Puig, Chapman, Darvish, Iwakuma, Abreu, Cespedes, and now Tanaka have signed pretty fair deals while AA and his scouts are left holding their dicks and complaining about market prices - something you lose the right to complain about when you trade the farm and a truck full of money for Reyes and f***ing Mark Buehrle.

 

I'm not saying that I'm disappointed that they aren't landing Tanaka, but I did expect them to get involved. By all accounts the guy is a likely 3-4 win starter entering his age-25 season, and for a team that has spent all offseason looking for starting pitching there aren't many excuses for not getting involved here. Why the f*** would a team pay $50+ million for three years of Mark Buehrle if they can't scrape together $140 million for a 25-year old with front-rotation potential?

 

Yankees/RedSox Vini Vidi Veci.

[ElNik2013]

Some would be screaming that Rogers is cheap if they put in an offer just for the heck of it, say 100/5 + the posting fee. I think if you're in this thing, you go for it to win it and if you're not willing to give the best offer, you don't do it. Some here have pointed out the risks of giving pitchers long term contracts, yet may end up screaming that the team should've offer 7/150 or something like that. This team has definitely put itself in this position by missing out on Darvish, Sanchez, Peavy and then making the trades they made last off season as a result so they have no one but themselves to blame.

[ElNik2013]

Agreed, there is no reason to take on Mark Buehrle if you aren't willing to add some payroll for a FA that improves the team. Last offseason's moves didn't work out last year, but they did at least add some pieces ( 2 SP and a SS) that could help us win this year if we add a little more. If nothing happens it will be incredibly frustrating and essentially signal that those moves were made to sell some tickets for a year or two, not to compete, and will have cost us a ton of future assets. If you are going to make those kinds of going for it moves then go for it, since then AA has essentially sat on his hands.

 

If the Jays suck again they better atleast start selling some of these assets, I hate the in between. Last year I can accept, they tried and failed but alteast they tried. They need to either accept they failed and sell or try again.

 

 

I wouldn't be surprised if hype was their goal. As far as selling or trying again, you could sell during the season as well. The lack of moves is certainly frustrating for many, but I'm one of those who wasn't behind the change of direction and would've been fine to wait for the top-10 farm to bear fruits so if they end up sucking again and trading Rasmus, Bautista and others for a good return, it wouldn't be the end of the world.

[G-Snarls]

Useful tidbits on MLBTR:

 

Masahiro Tanaka Rumors: Sunday

 

By*Edward Creech*[January 19, 2014 at 2:15pm CST]

 

Masahiro Tanaka*will*reportedly*command a contract in the neighborhood of $120MM over six years (plus the expected $20MM posting fee) and is said to have received such an offer from the*Diamondbacks. Here's the latest with five days remaining before Tanaka's posting period expires Friday at 4pm CT:

 

Tanaka's decision should come Tuesday or Wednesday to allow time for further medical exams to take place prior to the Friday deadline, an AL scout tells*David Kaplan of CSNChicago.com*(via Twitter).Kaplan*tweets*the same scout tells him the*Cubs' current state is the biggest drawback in their landing Tanaka.*Yesterday, we learned the Cubs*made a formal offer*to Tanaka, but are considered*a long shot*to win the bidding.*The*White Sox, who also have reportedly have made a formal offer to Tanaka, are in the same boat as the Cubs,*tweets*Kaplan.The Mariners may have been priced out of contention for Tanaka or the 25-year-old's*interest in Seattle wasn’t as high as some thought, reports*the Seattle Times' Geoff Baker

[Angrioter]

MLBBruceLevine

Tanaka has told teams that a part of his decision will be based on the Japanese culture available to him and his wife .

 

Seattle?

[John_Havok]

MLBBruceLevine

Tanaka has told teams that a part of his decision will be based on the Japanese culture available to him and his wife .

 

Seattle?

 

Apparntly his wife also wants to pursue a career in music, from what I heard on mlb network yesterday. Someone get Drake on the phone!

[jays4life19]

I'm alright with the Jays not signing Tanaka. The man is going to be paid like an elite Free Agent. I'd rather focus our resources on a plethora of talent - Franklin/Ackley trade. Denforia trade. Garza/Jiminez Signing (whoever falls to us). Then let's pray to god we stay healthy.....

[GD]

Apparntly his wife also wants to pursue a career in music, from what I heard on mlb network yesterday. Someone get Drake on the phone!

 

Sorry, that only works for the Raptors, but hey, at least we'll use him and Tim L to lure Lebron, according to Michael Granger.

[Angrioter]

Apparntly his wife also wants to pursue a career in music, from what I heard on mlb network yesterday. Someone get Drake on the phone!

 

Jay-Z (Cano-M's) over Drake (Jays)