Angrioter Old-Timey Member Posted January 30, 2015 Posted January 30, 2015 Former Jays farmhand Tyler Gonzales got 100 game suspension for refusal to take a drug test again?
King Old-Timey Member Posted January 30, 2015 Posted January 30, 2015 again? 1st failed - warning 2nd failed (drug of abuse) - 50 games 3rd failed (refusal) - 100 games
bendera3 Verified Member Posted January 30, 2015 Posted January 30, 2015 Did not even know free agents were tested and could be suspended. The extent to which Tyler Gonzales busted is kind of amazing. He's probably the biggest bust in the history of Jays first round picks.
Abomination Old-Timey Member Posted January 30, 2015 Posted January 30, 2015 He's probably the biggest bust in the history of Jays first round picks. He was a pick in the 60's. Could have been a lot worse. Adams, Negron, etc were pretty smelly. McGuire isn't looking good. Garry Harris, the #2 overall pick in 1980 didn't make it out of AA. I don't know what the story was though, whether there was injury or something.
KingKat Old-Timey Member Posted January 31, 2015 Posted January 31, 2015 Purcey, Cooper... A lot of guys didn't amount to much.
jaysfan2014 Old-Timey Member Posted January 31, 2015 Posted January 31, 2015 Drake Britton DFAd for Ogando.
TwistedLogic Old-Timey Member Posted January 31, 2015 Posted January 31, 2015 Purcey, Cooper... A lot of guys didn't amount to much. Purcey is actually the year when the curse of the stolen pick began. And by that I don't necessarily mean that the Jays were in on the guys picked before them if they did slide, just that almost every year since then, a more valuable player was picked with the selection directly before the Jays. 2004 Pick 15: Diamondbacks select Stephen Drew Pick 16: Blue Jays select David Purcey 2005 Pick 5: Brewers select Ryan Braun Pick 6: Blue Jays Jays select Ricky Romero *Note: This is also the year where Upton (1), Gordon (2), Zimmerman (4) and Tulowitzki (7) went in the top 7 picks. McCutchen (11), Bruce (12), Ellsbury (23), Garza (25) and Rasmus (28) also went in the first round. 2006 *This was the year where Tyler Colvin was drafted one pick before the Jays took Travis Snider, but this is no longer a "steal" in my book, considering Snider's resent "resurgence" (if you can call it that) and Colvin suddenly becoming s***. Note that both of these things happened after the curse was broken, so I assume that the curse is retroactively repairing some of the damage that it caused as a result. #RomeroReturns2015 2007 Pick 15: Reds select Devin Mesoraco Pick 16: Blue Jays select Kevin Ahrens 2008 16 Overall: Brewers select Brett Lawrie 17 Overall: Blue Jays Jays select David Cooper 2009 19 Overall: Cardinals select Shelby Miller 20 Overall: Blue Jays select Chad Jenkins Perhaps the bigger story here is that the Jays under Ricciardi were f***ing atrocious at drafting. Personally, I prefer the curse narrative. The curse lost a step in its game in 2010 when the Jays threw away another pick on Deck McGuire, but the Athletics only got Michael "The Wrong" Choice with the prior selection. The next year (2011) the Jays lost Beede, and the following two years after that, the curse attempted a Pettittesque comeback, where Giolito was stolen before the Jays took DJ Davis, and Meadows was stolen before the Jays took Bickford. Anthopoulos, unlike his predecessor as it was ultimately discovered, would not go down without a fight. With Andrew Tinnish at his side, and an onslaught of gyro meat in his arsenal, he would battle toe-to-toe with the curse - a legendary duel not unlike that of Gandalf and the balrog. He'd scoff at the McGuire mishap by selecting Sanchez and Syndergaard with his next two selections. He'd make a mockery of the Beede blunder by selecting Norris in his stead. He'd drop a souvlaki-scented s*** on the Davis downer by taking Stroman five picks later. The curse would finally fold in the fight against the fat Greek once and for all when Anthopoulos would wrest it to its knees by turning the previous year's Bickford bloop into a first round, 9th overall selection of future world series MVP and first ballot hall of famer, Jeff Hoffman. To ensure that the curse was down for good, the Colorado Rockies would draft garbage clown Kyle Freeland with the prior pick, and the Jays would select the reincarnation of Jason Kendall's dead father-in-law Bubba Joe Kendall, in Max Pentecost. Disclaimer: If you actually read this whole post and are dissatisfied with its contents, only you are to blame. You should have known going into it that you were about to completely waste your time.
jays4life19 Old-Timey Member Posted January 31, 2015 Posted January 31, 2015 ^ This post makes me remember why i give AA so much more slack then most here. Jesus we draft so much better now.
AdamGreenwood Old-Timey Member Posted January 31, 2015 Posted January 31, 2015 Maybe the lesson here is that the Jays should trade away their 1st round picks for two or three lesser picks. I know you can't actually trade picks, but you can still trade the players selected, if the framework is in place.
Atothe Old-Timey Member Posted January 31, 2015 Posted January 31, 2015 What I'm wondering is why guys like Norris and Reid-Foley keep falling to the jays? What where other gms, scouting directors and scouts hearing?
Angrioter Old-Timey Member Posted January 31, 2015 Posted January 31, 2015 Purcey is actually the year when the curse of the stolen pick began. And by that I don't necessarily mean that the Jays were in on the guys picked before them if they did slide, just that almost every year since then, a more valuable player was picked with the selection directly before the Jays. 2004 Pick 15: Diamondbacks select Stephen Drew Pick 16: Blue Jays select David Purcey 2005 Pick 5: Brewers select Ryan Braun Pick 6: Blue Jays Jays select Ricky Romero *Note: This is also the year where Upton (1), Gordon (2), Zimmerman (4) and Tulowitzki (7) went in the top 7 picks. McCutchen (11), Bruce (12), Ellsbury (23), Garza (25) and Rasmus (28) also went in the first round. 2006 *This was the year where Tyler Colvin was drafted one pick before the Jays took Travis Snider, but this is no longer a "steal" in my book, considering Snider's resent "resurgence" (if you can call it that) and Colvin suddenly becoming s***. Note that both of these things happened after the curse was broken, so I assume that the curse is retroactively repairing some of the damage that it caused as a result. #RomeroReturns2015 2007 Pick 15: Reds select Devin Mesoraco Pick 16: Blue Jays select Kevin Ahrens 2008 16 Overall: Brewers select Brett Lawrie 17 Overall: Blue Jays Jays select David Cooper 2009 19 Overall: Cardinals select Shelby Miller 20 Overall: Blue Jays select Chad Jenkins Perhaps the bigger story here is that the Jays under Ricciardi were f***ing atrocious at drafting. Personally, I prefer the curse narrative. The curse lost a step in its game in 2010 when the Jays threw away another pick on Deck McGuire, but the Athletics only got Michael "The Wrong" Choice with the prior selection. The next year (2011) the Jays lost Beede, and the following two years after that, the curse attempted a Pettittesque comeback, where Giolito was stolen before the Jays took DJ Davis, and Meadows was stolen before the Jays took Bickford. Anthopoulos, unlike his predecessor as it was ultimately discovered, would not go down without a fight. With Andrew Tinnish at his side, and an onslaught of gyro meat in his arsenal, he would battle toe-to-toe with the curse - a legendary duel not unlike that of Gandalf and the balrog. He'd scoff at the McGuire mishap by selecting Sanchez and Syndergaard with his next two selections. He'd make a mockery of the Beede blunder by selecting Norris in his stead. He'd drop a souvlaki-scented s*** on the Davis downer by taking Stroman five picks later. The curse would finally fold in the fight against the fat Greek once and for all when Anthopoulos would wrest it to its knees by turning the previous year's Bickford bloop into a first round, 9th overall selection of future world series MVP and first ballot hall of famer, Jeff Hoffman. To ensure that the curse was down for good, the Colorado Rockies would draft garbage clown Kyle Freeland with the prior pick, and the Jays would select the reincarnation of Jason Kendall's dead father-in-law Bubba Joe Kendall, in Max Pentecost. Disclaimer: If you actually read this whole post and are dissatisfied with its contents, only you are to blame. You should have known going into it that you were about to completely waste your time. Thanks man. Nasty read
jays76 Verified Member Posted January 31, 2015 Posted January 31, 2015 Purcey is actually the year when the curse of the stolen pick began. And by that I don't necessarily mean that the Jays were in on the guys picked before them if they did slide, just that almost every year since then, a more valuable player was picked with the selection directly before the Jays. 2004 Pick 15: Diamondbacks select Stephen Drew Pick 16: Blue Jays select David Purcey 2005 Pick 5: Brewers select Ryan Braun Pick 6: Blue Jays Jays select Ricky Romero *Note: This is also the year where Upton (1), Gordon (2), Zimmerman (4) and Tulowitzki (7) went in the top 7 picks. McCutchen (11), Bruce (12), Ellsbury (23), Garza (25) and Rasmus (28) also went in the first round. 2006 *This was the year where Tyler Colvin was drafted one pick before the Jays took Travis Snider, but this is no longer a "steal" in my book, considering Snider's resent "resurgence" (if you can call it that) and Colvin suddenly becoming s***. Note that both of these things happened after the curse was broken, so I assume that the curse is retroactively repairing some of the damage that it caused as a result. #RomeroReturns2015 2007 Pick 15: Reds select Devin Mesoraco Pick 16: Blue Jays select Kevin Ahrens 2008 16 Overall: Brewers select Brett Lawrie 17 Overall: Blue Jays Jays select David Cooper 2009 19 Overall: Cardinals select Shelby Miller 20 Overall: Blue Jays select Chad Jenkins Perhaps the bigger story here is that the Jays under Ricciardi were f***ing atrocious at drafting. Personally, I prefer the curse narrative. The curse lost a step in its game in 2010 when the Jays threw away another pick on Deck McGuire, but the Athletics only got Michael "The Wrong" Choice with the prior selection. The next year (2011) the Jays lost Beede, and the following two years after that, the curse attempted a Pettittesque comeback, where Giolito was stolen before the Jays took DJ Davis, and Meadows was stolen before the Jays took Bickford. Anthopoulos, unlike his predecessor as it was ultimately discovered, would not go down without a fight. With Andrew Tinnish at his side, and an onslaught of gyro meat in his arsenal, he would battle toe-to-toe with the curse - a legendary duel not unlike that of Gandalf and the balrog. He'd scoff at the McGuire mishap by selecting Sanchez and Syndergaard with his next two selections. He'd make a mockery of the Beede blunder by selecting Norris in his stead. He'd drop a souvlaki-scented s*** on the Davis downer by taking Stroman five picks later. The curse would finally fold in the fight against the fat Greek once and for all when Anthopoulos would wrest it to its knees by turning the previous year's Bickford bloop into a first round, 9th overall selection of future world series MVP and first ballot hall of famer, Jeff Hoffman. To ensure that the curse was down for good, the Colorado Rockies would draft garbage clown Kyle Freeland with the prior pick, and the Jays would select the reincarnation of Jason Kendall's dead father-in-law Bubba Joe Kendall, in Max Pentecost. Disclaimer: If you actually read this whole post and are dissatisfied with its contents, only you are to blame. You should have known going into it that you were about to completely waste your time. Easily post of the year candidate.
SaskJaysFan_2 Verified Member Posted January 31, 2015 Posted January 31, 2015 Purcey is actually the year when the curse of the stolen pick began. And by that I don't necessarily mean that the Jays were in on the guys picked before them if they did slide, just that almost every year since then, a more valuable player was picked with the selection directly before the Jays. 2004 Pick 15: Diamondbacks select Stephen Drew Pick 16: Blue Jays select David Purcey 2005 Pick 5: Brewers select Ryan Braun Pick 6: Blue Jays Jays select Ricky Romero *Note: This is also the year where Upton (1), Gordon (2), Zimmerman (4) and Tulowitzki (7) went in the top 7 picks. McCutchen (11), Bruce (12), Ellsbury (23), Garza (25) and Rasmus (28) also went in the first round. 2006 *This was the year where Tyler Colvin was drafted one pick before the Jays took Travis Snider, but this is no longer a "steal" in my book, considering Snider's resent "resurgence" (if you can call it that) and Colvin suddenly becoming s***. Note that both of these things happened after the curse was broken, so I assume that the curse is retroactively repairing some of the damage that it caused as a result. #RomeroReturns2015 2007 Pick 15: Reds select Devin Mesoraco Pick 16: Blue Jays select Kevin Ahrens 2008 16 Overall: Brewers select Brett Lawrie 17 Overall: Blue Jays Jays select David Cooper 2009 19 Overall: Cardinals select Shelby Miller 20 Overall: Blue Jays select Chad Jenkins Perhaps the bigger story here is that the Jays under Ricciardi were f***ing atrocious at drafting. Personally, I prefer the curse narrative. The curse lost a step in its game in 2010 when the Jays threw away another pick on Deck McGuire, but the Athletics only got Michael "The Wrong" Choice with the prior selection. The next year (2011) the Jays lost Beede, and the following two years after that, the curse attempted a Pettittesque comeback, where Giolito was stolen before the Jays took DJ Davis, and Meadows was stolen before the Jays took Bickford. Anthopoulos, unlike his predecessor as it was ultimately discovered, would not go down without a fight. With Andrew Tinnish at his side, and an onslaught of gyro meat in his arsenal, he would battle toe-to-toe with the curse - a legendary duel not unlike that of Gandalf and the balrog. He'd scoff at the McGuire mishap by selecting Sanchez and Syndergaard with his next two selections. He'd make a mockery of the Beede blunder by selecting Norris in his stead. He'd drop a souvlaki-scented s*** on the Davis downer by taking Stroman five picks later. The curse would finally fold in the fight against the fat Greek once and for all when Anthopoulos would wrest it to its knees by turning the previous year's Bickford bloop into a first round, 9th overall selection of future world series MVP and first ballot hall of famer, Jeff Hoffman. To ensure that the curse was down for good, the Colorado Rockies would draft garbage clown Kyle Freeland with the prior pick, and the Jays would select the reincarnation of Jason Kendall's dead father-in-law Bubba Joe Kendall, in Max Pentecost. Disclaimer: If you actually read this whole post and are dissatisfied with its contents, only you are to blame. You should have known going into it that you were about to completely waste your time. Such a great post. Sad, but great post. I didn't really realize how much better the AA regime has been draft-wise. A real eye opener.
ElNik2013 Old-Timey Member Posted January 31, 2015 Posted January 31, 2015 TwistedLogic: you gotta f***ing cool off... you're posting like a mad man. That's where the "twisted" part comes into play.
Jimcanuck Old-Timey Member Posted January 31, 2015 Posted January 31, 2015 Interesting that in their 34 years of drafting, the Jays have never had the #1 pick A couple of #2s in the late 70's (Lloyd Moseby, Garry Harris (??), and Augie Schmidt). Schmidt was a can't miss, bluechip, guaranteed superstar that did squat.
Key22 Verified Member Posted January 31, 2015 Posted January 31, 2015 Toronto named best city in the world to live - perhaps AA should send booklets about it to every player at all levels in every country around the world so someone might stop putting us on their no trade list https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/blogs/insight/toronto-montreal-take-top-spots-for-best-places-140812272.html Although Vancouver and Victoria IMO are better places to actually live. Weather, no snow, food, no snow, pot capital of the world, no snow, more laid back, no snow and no f***ing snow.
BTS Community Moderator Posted January 31, 2015 Posted January 31, 2015 Baltimore ranked 20th. That list is invalid.
Jimcanuck Old-Timey Member Posted January 31, 2015 Posted January 31, 2015 Toronto named best city in the world to live - perhaps AA should send booklets about it to every player at all levels in every country around the world so someone might stop putting us on their no trade list https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/blogs/insight/toronto-montreal-take-top-spots-for-best-places-140812272.html Although Vancouver and Victoria IMO are better places to actually live. Weather, no snow, food, no snow, pot capital of the world, no snow, more laid back, no snow and no f***ing snow. read the headline, laughed, did not read
43211234 Verified Member Posted January 31, 2015 Posted January 31, 2015 Baltimore ranked 20th. That list is invalid. It looks like Baltimore was 20th in the smartest cities category. Which only proves your point more.
Boxcar Old-Timey Member Posted January 31, 2015 Posted January 31, 2015 If you enjoy buying heroin and shooting people, I'm sure Baltimore is a great place to live.
bendera3 Verified Member Posted January 31, 2015 Posted January 31, 2015 If you enjoy buying heroin and shooting people, I'm sure Baltimore is a great place to live. :-O
BigBounceyBlueBalls Old-Timey Member Posted January 31, 2015 Posted January 31, 2015 So if these Cuban players are free to sign next week what implications does it have for teams? Will international money rules apply ? Who could or can't sign them? Who do you want for the jays?
BigBounceyBlueBalls Old-Timey Member Posted February 1, 2015 Posted February 1, 2015 Anybody, Somebody can you answer this above? Lol
Mikeleelop Verified Member Posted February 1, 2015 Posted February 1, 2015 It depends on the age and experience of the guy being signed Ben badger on baseball America does a great job explaining If they are under 23 with less than three years in the main Cuban league they count against international pool If older and experienced then they are regular FA
BigBounceyBlueBalls Old-Timey Member Posted February 1, 2015 Posted February 1, 2015 So what are those infielders on record?
BigBounceyBlueBalls Old-Timey Member Posted February 1, 2015 Posted February 1, 2015 Also just read on mlb trade rumours Shields may be willing to sign for Four years seventy mill. If true, wtf gives sign him already! AA wake up and Dance you fat bastard, Get it done! Please and thank you!
TwistedLogic Old-Timey Member Posted February 1, 2015 Posted February 1, 2015 It depends on the age and experience of the guy being signed Ben badger on baseball America does a great job explaining If they are under 23 with less than three years in the main Cuban league they count against international pool If older and experienced then they are regular FA I'm not sure if this was intentional but... *Ben Badler
burlingtonbandit Old-Timey Member Posted February 1, 2015 Posted February 1, 2015 Toronto named best city in the world to live - perhaps AA should send booklets about it to every player at all levels in every country around the world so someone might stop putting us on their no trade list https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/blogs/insight/toronto-montreal-take-top-spots-for-best-places-140812272.html Although Vancouver and Victoria IMO are better places to actually live. Weather, no snow, food, no snow, pot capital of the world, no snow, more laid back, no snow and no f***ing snow. Toronto doesn't even get much snow tbh. I live in Ottawa and we probably have at least twice as much snow and its routinely -20 and colder.
TwistedLogic Old-Timey Member Posted February 1, 2015 Posted February 1, 2015 Also just read on mlb trade rumours Shields may be willing to sign for Four years seventy mill. If true, wtf gives sign him already! AA wake up and Dance you fat bastard, Get it done! Please and thank you! If Shields is willing to sign for 70/4, there will be a s*** ton of other teams in on him and he'll pick somewhere that is a lot more desirable to play than Toronto. Speaking of which, whenever Shields signs I'm fairly certain that he'll receive the largest contract ever given to a free agent after February 1st of any given free agency period. The current record, if I'm not mistaken, is Ubaldo at 50/4 signed on February 19, 2014 by the Orioles.
Mikeleelop Verified Member Posted February 1, 2015 Posted February 1, 2015 I'm not sure if this was intentional but... *Ben Badler Damn autocorrect
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