Around Baseball 2014

[Angrioter]

get er done

 

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[Atothe]

I do recall reading or hearing from a good source (Jonah Keri maybe??) that Tampa really covets Sanchez. Maybe they think they have the ability to improve his command.

 

At the same time, they still view themselves as contenders in 2015 so they likely would ALSO want a major league player in the deal.

 

This, I'm pretty sure if they can get Fernando Rodney throwing strikes consistently then they could do the same for Sanchez. I know that method does not work for all but considering a talent of this magnitude, I believe a major league team can get Sanchez to throw strikes consistently enough to be more then effective

[G-Snarls]

Well, it's not true. Not sure what else to tell you.

 

And you know this because...

[Nox]

This, I'm pretty sure if they can get Fernando Rodney throwing strikes consistently then they could do the same for Sanchez

 

If this is our logic, then wouldn't we expect them to go after the original Aaron Sanchez, ie Kyle Drabek?

 

He's got well above average stuff and could be acquired for a lot less than David Price.

 

The Rays obviously do take on reclamation projects, but they're not going to do it as the centerpiece of a David Price deal.

[Nox]

And you know this because...

 

I am Andrew Friedman. Duh.

[G-Snarls]

All this said, I don't think we get Price. Just can't see it. AA will get outbid and that's possibly a good thing.

[G-Snarls]

Tampa really should deal him at the deadline. Really really should. Teams know this. That MIGHT give other teams a little but of leverage.

[TheHurl]

Proof that all from the Caribbean are really Mexicans.

 

[Nox]

Tampa really should deal him at the deadline. Really really should. .

 

What if the value of the offers on the table are less than that of a leveraged year of a 5 win pitcher plus a comp pick plus the option of trading him at next year's deadline?

 

Then they really, really, really shouldn't trade him.

 

FFS, lets think a little before throwing a blanket statement on things.

[TheHurl]

Tampa really should deal him at the deadline. Really really should. Teams know this. That MIGHT give other teams a little but of leverage.

 

year and a half left on the contract. No way there is leverage taken away yet or maybe ever

[Nox]

Proof that all from the Caribbean are really Mexicans.

 

 

I thought Cubans hated Mexicans. Or is it Dominicans hate Cubans. Or Dominicans hate Mexicans?

 

This is all very confusing. Ang, help us out. A spreadsheet or diagram of sorts would probably help.

[Atothe]

If this is our logic, then wouldn't we expect them to go after the original Aaron Sanchez, ie Kyle Drabek?

 

He's got well above average stuff and could be acquired for a lot less than David Price.

 

The Rays obviously do take on reclamation projects, but they're not going to do it as the centerpiece of a David Price deal.

 

Because drabek is gives up a lot more hits per 9 then Sanchez, Drabek has minor league track record thats says he can throw strikes. They are not the same

[G-Snarls]

year and a half left on the contract. No way there is leverage taken away yet or maybe ever

 

No one thinks they'll get a significantly better package now than they'll get in November? I certainly do. He gives you two pennant races now. And they can save themselves 7 million dollars too by trading him now. This season is shot. And what if he gets hurt or doesn't pitch well second half. I think Tampa risks too much if they keep holding on to him.

 

Maybe I'm crazy but it just feels like they should really get it done now, not this off season.

[Atothe]

No one thinks they'll get a significantly better package now than they'll get in November? I certainly do. And they can save themselves 7 million dollars too by trading him now.

 

Maybe I'm crazy but it just feels like they should really get it done.

 

They have one thing in their favor, leverage. If they trade him in the off season thats another half a season of control gone, lower his value to other teams.

[TheHurl]

I thought Cubans hated Mexicans. Or is it Dominicans hate Cubans. Or Dominicans hate Mexicans?

 

This is all very confusing. Ang, help us out. A spreadsheet or diagram of sorts would probably help.

 

diagram full of GIF's. I know Dominicans hate Cubans. And I think Dominicans like Venezuelans (to throw a little South American action into the fray)

[Nox]

Because drabek is gives up a lot more hits per 9 then Sanchez, Drabek has minor league track record thats says he can throw strikes. They are not the same

 

Using ball in play metrics as a primary method of evaluation in the low minors is not a good idea. Even at the major league level ball in play stuff needs to be handled carefully.

[TheHurl]

Using ball in play metrics in the low minors is pretty stupid. Obviously. But just to show you that what you said was stupid/false:

 

Drabek minor league career WHIP: 1.33

Sanchez minor league career WHIP: 1.35

 

You're right!! They're so different!

 

Not to mention an 8 game stretch where Drabek has walked very few. You'd think the what have you done for me lately crowd would be all over him. I'd just like to see them convert him to the pen now and see what he does there. They likely are never going to use him as a starter so why not see what happens if you just let him throw 95 every time until his arm falls off just like Daddy.

[Nox]

diagram full of GIF's. I know Mexicans hate Mexicans. And I think Mexicans like Mexicans (to throw a little South American action into the fray)

 

Did I misread that?

[Nox]

Not to mention an 8 game stretch where Drabek has walked very few. You'd think the what have you done for me lately crowd would be all over him. I'd just like to see them convert him to the pen now and see what he does there. They likely are never going to use him as a starter so why not see what happens if you just let him throw 95 every time until his arm falls off just like Daddy.

 

Well firstly, thanks for quoting my post that I deleted because I thought I was being too dickish.

 

Secondly, I'm pretty sure Kyle Drabek's optimal strategy would be to aim right down the middle and throw hard. Every pitch. I'm only half joking.

[G-Snarls]

I think YOU guys are crazy for thinking Tampa is happy to wait until the off season to trade him. Crazy cray cray.

[G-Snarls]

diagram full of GIF's. I know Dominicans hate Cubans. And I think Dominicans like Venezuelans (to throw a little South American action into the fray)

 

Dominican men like Venezuelan WOMEN. I think that's as far as it goes. Also Puerto Rican and Columbian women. And blonde american women. Oh, and Brazilian women. And... LOL

[Nox]

I think YOU guys are crazy for thinking Tampa is happy to wait until the off season to trade him. Crazy cray cray.

 

Who said that?

 

I said if the offers on the table at the deadline are of less value than what they value 1 year of Price (the same amount of control they'll have in the offseason) to be in a contending/psuedo-contending year then they shouldn't trade him now.

 

That's a far different statement than "they should wait to the offseason to trade him".

[TheHurl]

Well firstly, thanks for quoting my post that I deleted because I thought I was being too dickish.

 

Secondly, I'm pretty sure Kyle Drabek's optimal strategy would be to aim right down the middle and throw hard. Every pitch. I'm only half joking.

 

your going soft in your old age.

[G-Snarls]

Who said that?

 

I said if the offers on the table at the deadline are of less value than what they value 1 year of Price (the same amount of control they'll have in the offseason) to be in a contending/psuedo-contending year then they shouldn't trade him now.

 

That's a far different statement than "they should wait to the offseason to trade him".

 

Yeah, OK, it is. I think 2-3 teams will pony up a nice package in July that they'll take. I do think it's risky and expensive for Tampa to wait though. Those mid season offers would have to be very weak and I don't imagine they will be.

[Atothe]

Stating how ridiculously similar their whips are does not make them the same Nox. One has shown he can throw strikes, the other has not.

[Nox]

Stating how ridiculously similar their whips are does not make them the same Nox. One has shown he can throw strikes, the other has not.

 

And you're implying that the one who DOESN'T throw strikes will be better. For some reason.

 

Sanchez, like Drabek, has intoxicating arm talent. I get that. But it also blinds us to dream on the upside rather than think hard about the actual expected outcome. It's cognitively easier to do the former but it leads to bad decisions. I encourage you to engage your system 2.

[Nox]

I think 2-3 teams will pony up a nice package in July that they'll take.

 

I agree this is pretty likely. But, again, they won't move him if they don't think the value is there.

[Atothe]

And you're implying that the one who DOESN'T throw strikes will be better. For some reason.

 

Sanchez, like Drabek, has intoxicating arm talent. I get that. But it also blinds us to dream on the upside rather than think hard about the actual expected outcome. It's cognitively easier to do the former but it leads to bad decisions. I encourage you to engage your system 2.

 

Yes because I have faith someone in baseball will teach Sanchez how to throw strikes and from there learn how to pitch. I understand facts and history against him succeeding but I hope and will continue to have hope he finds the right fix.

[Orgfiller]

17 year old high school girl threw BP to the Rays. She throws a knuckleball!

 

 

David Price takes some hacks --->

 

Evan Longoria --->

 

If she wasn't 17 I'm sure there would be inappropriate comments regarding what Longoria said, minus "when Dickey is around."

[o2cui2i]

Well firstly, thanks for quoting my post that I deleted because I thought I was being too dickish.

 

Secondly, I'm pretty sure Kyle Drabek's optimal strategy would be to aim right down the middle and throw hard. Every pitch. I'm only half joking.

 

there are a lot of pitchers who would be best served with this strategy. Drabek full on throwing right down the middle for 3 outs would probably be a good pen option if he can live with it. he has enough movement to get away with it for an inning, maybe two.