BP: Twelve trade offers for Mike Trout

[NorthOf49]

I'm saying WAR is a non standardized calculation with a margin of error that many don't understand. I think a team that has a war 8 higher than the 2nd place team in the mlb should at least make the playoffs..the fact that they didn't makes you question certain things. I think a team that has 9 positional players and 5 starters with equal war will win more games than a team with the equivalent war with a few above average war players and many below average war players....but then that's just me.

Which team is this you speak of?

 

Obviously, WAR is never going to be perfectly correlated to wins. That's an unrealistic expectation... luck will always play a massive role in baseball games.

[Angrioter]

Which team is this you speak of?

 

Obviously, WAR is never going to be perfectly correlated to wins. That's an unrealistic expectation... luck will always play a massive role in baseball games.

 

WAR has luck in it.

 

The "Luck" is an intangible.

[NorthOf49]

WAR has luck in it.

Yep it does. But there's other luck not included, like sequencing (which creates clutchness).

 

If people want a perfectly correlated version of WAR that includes all context possible, then they can use WPA.

[Angrioter]

Trout Extension

15Ys/325M?

[Nox]

Oh my god.

 

Did you hear that? You would only have control of Mike Trout for 4 years. That's basically nothing.

[Nox]

Trout Extension

15Ys/325M?

 

That would be pretty nice for the Angels.

[Angrioter]

That would be pretty nice for the Angels.

 

That include the arbitration salaries.

[Olerud363]

What?

 

Last 2 season

Trout = ~20 Wins

EE + Bautista + Rasmus = ~21 Wins

 

But that is assuming that the players are automatically replaced by 0 WAR guys.

 

Edit - the original way I did it was wrong. Should assume trout (+20) replaces Rasmus (+5??)

 

So if you assumed Bautista and EE are replaced by 1 WAR guys, and that EE + Bautista + Rasmus are worth 10 in a give year.

 

Trout + 2 =12

EE + Bautista + Rasmus= 10

 

2 WAR guys

 

Trout + 4 = 14

EE + Bautista + Rasmus = 10

 

So the analysis depends on how you replace Bautista and EE. For a team with a great farm (with mlb ready sluggers) or unlimited pockets (and good relationship with agents -- hello Choo) it could work.

[Boxcar]

I would trade every single minor leaguer in our system for Mike Trout

 

Edit: wait, we don't get him for the rest of his career at league minimum? Pass.

[GD]

Lol @ this article

[saskjayfan]

Which team is this you speak of?

 

Obviously, WAR is never going to be perfectly correlated to wins. That's an unrealistic expectation... luck will always play a massive role in baseball games.

 

I speak of the Angels of 2012.....you take a team of 6 scrub players and bautista, EE and Rasmus vs 8 scrub players and trout and play 162 game series and the first team with bautista, EE and Rasmus wins way more games than the team with 8 scrubs and trout....

[saskjayfan]

You lost me at 162 game series.

 

I'm said series....season...whatever....just two teams playing a large number of games..statistically significant...pick your number of games...50, 100 150....team EE, bats and Rasmus beat team trout all day long assuming all other players are equal...

[Angrioter]

I'm said series....season...whatever....just two teams playing a large number of games..statistically significant...pick your number of games...50, 100 150....team EE, bats and Rasmus beat team trout all day long assuming all other players are equal...

 

s*** team + Trout = ~58 Wins

s*** team + EE + Rasmus + Bau = ~58 Wins

[Angrioter]

Assuming everyone else is replacement? I agree. Assuming everyone else is league average? No.

 

0 WAR everyone else:

11 WAR from Jays replacing 0 WAR = 11 WAR

10 WAR from Trout replacing 0 WAR = 10 WAR

 

1 WAR everyone else:

11 WAR from Jays replacing 3 WAR = 8 WAR

10 WAR from Trout replacing 1 WAR = 9 WAR

 

2 WAR everyone else:

11 WAR from Jays replacing 6 WAR = 5 WAR

10 WAR from Trout replacing 2 WAR = 8 WAR

 

Replacement + 2 Wins = Average...Right?

[Angrioter]

Average is around 2 yes.

 

20 runs/162 games

[Fearthedoc]

Factoring in contracts; I would give up everything in the Philladelphia Phillies organization (at all levels) for Mike Trout.

[TheHurl]

That article wasn't funny or well written. BP should be embarrassed.

[jaysblue]

It depends on how high you are on Sanchez and Stroman....if you think they are number 2 type pitchers that's a lot. You don't get trout for life..you get him for 4 years....Baseball is about 25 guys...9 positional players and 5 starters.....LAA didn't make the playoffs the last 2 years with trout.

 

Mamma Mia!

[jaysblue]

That article wasn't funny or well written. BP should be embarrassed.

 

They should be. Who allows this stuff to the press?

[mitchf]

This is the worst article I've read all month. I truly mean that.

 

Shame on you Parks.

[jays_fever]

I really like the timeshare idea. I think it has potential

[TheHurl]

Me and a buddy were trying to come up with a legitimate deal for Trout and wondered if the Angels could actually do it. We discussed Miller, Carpenter, Wacha and Craig. Never looked too close at the value difference through the arbitration years but if you don't consider Carpenter to be a 5 win player it's probably pretty close. Neither team would probably listen to it.

[John_Havok]

That article wasn't funny or well written. BP should be embarrassed.

 

Agreed. There was nothing of any entertainment value in that article at all