Omar Infante seeking 4 years 40M - Signs with KC Royals

[jays4life19]

I was all for signing Infante last month,when i thought he could be had for 2/19 or 3/22-24. AA would also have to find a trade partner for Izturis in this case,as paying Izzy $4M to be a bench player makes no sense. After his horrible 2013,AA would be hard pressed in getting any value for him. I would love an Infante / Goins combo at 2B, but not for 4/40.

 

Infante won't get 4 years and 40 million. I think he just wants to get a contract like his buddy, Marin Prado. Solution: 3 years 30 million with a team option for a 4th year with a small buy out. Not my first option. Mark Ellis please.

[Dylan]

Most baseball contracts are 2-3 million more than they should. Guys like Morse has a terrible year and still signs for 6 million, in a way it's sickening

[TwistedLogic]

That's because upgrading the SP is a bigger priority than upgrading 2B, unless it was with Cano or Phillips, Kinsler types,or possibly in a trade for Profar. Spending $10-12M per on a second baseman like Infante is f***ing ridiculous. He plays an average defense also,so WTF?

 

That's nice and all, except that I suggested a 32/4 offer, which if you have trouble calculating, is 8M a year, the same realm as "2/19" or "3/22-24".

 

But by all means, continue to rage and flip out, gotta release those pent up hormones one way or another.

[ElNik2013]

32/4 or 30/3 may get it done, but it would also push the Jays 2014 payroll close to its reported limit of around 150M. AA might be thinking of getting both a 2B and a SP, but one will probably come cheap in terms of $, but expensive in prospects terms and the other one will cost $$

[Howard Roark]

$10 million per on a consistent 2-3 win player is actually below market value.

 

Shhhhh. It's a secret.

[jaysblue]

Steamers has Phillips projected at 2.4 War.

Infante is projected at 2.2 War.

....Considering Infante will come cheaper and won't cost assets to obtain. It's fairly obvious Infante is a better option. Saying that, i agree SP is a bigger need right now.

 

So who cares what Steamers think? Steamers had Salty projected at 3 WAR and everyone on here was saying he was crap. Infante isn't even projected for the same WAR and everyone on here is raving on how signing him to $10 AAV over 4 years is such a bargain.

[jaysblue]

$10 million per on a consistent 2-3 win player is actually below market value.

 

Then why hasn't a team already locked him up already if that's such a great deal? Don't get me wrong, I like Infante, though he's a second tier second baseman, and just the idea of the Jays paying him $12 million has me cringe. I use Scutaro's contract as a benchmark. I'd go 3/$24 on Infante, or slightly more considering that he's younger and all, though we're talking about a player whose BABIP was crazy high this past season, doesn't hit for power, turning 32, is nothing special defensively and who has a worse BB% than J.P. Arencibia over the past 3 seasons! I just don't feel comfortable giving him a 4 year deal worth $40 + million, which to me is quite excessive considering the type of player he is.

[jaysblue]

Infante's career BB% = 5.4

J.P. Arencibia's career BB% =5.3

[GD]

Omar Infante career batting average = .279

J.P. Arencibia career wOBA = .288

 

lol

[jaysblue]

You're talking about the MLB free agent market like it's rational. It isn't.

 

I know its not rational. When a No. 5 starter like Jason Vargas get's a 4 year deal worth $32 million, its quite irrational.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Give it to him. His 4-year WAR projection is in the 7-8 win range. That's a projected cost of like $4-6 million per win. And those wins are really f***ing valuable because they're replacing replacement-level talent for a team that may already be in the 85-87 win range.

 

If the money could go to Infante or spend more on Tanaka, I'd much rather go Tanaka.

[GD]

You're talking about the MLB free agent market like it's rational. It isn't.

 

Every time a person says "if a player was worth $30 million last year why isn't he getting paid $30 million?!/1/1?1 WAR SUCKZ!!1!!!!" a kitten kills an orphan.

[GD]

Infante projected wRC+ = 101

Arencibia projected wRC+ = 77-81

 

They're so similar (even though they're not at all similar).

 

The resemblances are eerie (even though they're nonexistent).

[jays_fever]

Similarly, if a player who plays your greatest position of need is undervalued to the point that you can get him for $5-6 million per projected win, you should probably take advantage.

 

Would you really give Infante a 4/40 deal over giving up someone decent for Philips who has a higher floor/ceiling than him. I think it was Nox who stated that every win is much more important when your team is projected in the 84-87 range

[TheHurl]

Would you really give Infante a 4/40 deal over giving up someone decent for Philips who has a higher floor/ceiling than him. I think it was Nox who stated that every win is much more important when your team is projected in the 84-87 range

 

if the asset we have to give up is Rasmus, we are going backwards.

[gruber92]

That's nice and all, except that I suggested a 32/4 offer, which if you have trouble calculating, is 8M a year, the same realm as "2/19" or "3/22-24".

 

But by all means, continue to rage and flip out, gotta release those pent up hormones one way or another.

 

No its not the same you f***ing moron. Ever considered length of contract f*** nuts?

[TwistedLogic]

No its not the same you f***ing moron. Ever considered length of contract f*** nuts?

 

You entertain me greatly http://i.imgur.com/py2PxcN.gif

[Chappy]

Considering Phillips acquisition cost and contract renegotiation demands, Infante seems like the more attractive option. f*** AA do something. Once Infante comes off the market, the cost of Phillips will be that much greater. Just sign Infante and be over with it.

[dineke]

This is Ryan Goins' team.

[Chappy]

In terms of actual non-bench/fringe/buy-low guys, the list of free agents that I actually want is down to Infante, Ellis, and Tanaka. FML.

 

I would be fine with Ellis at this point. I don't know if we're going to be in on Tanaka or not, there is no telling what money is available, especially considering no noteworthy FA's have been liked to this team all winter other than some BS speculation from the media.

[fatcowxlive]

$10M aav was the minimum price tag I thought he was entering the market with... I don't know why people think it's high

 

Also it's not like we have the luxury to trade for a 2B without getting any backlash to our MLB roster/future

[Chappy]

I don't think we'll be in on Tanaka. As you say, there just haven't been any rumours at all indicating that AA is planning to spend on the FA market. It's unfortunate, because improving by 5 wins via trade (which probably means adding like 7) is going to be very, very difficult.

 

I just find it idiotic that he isn't in on any FA. I firmly believe that many won't want to sign here and that he likely has to overpay, however, that can't be the case for every FA. A guy like Ellis for instance might strongly consider a team like ours knowing we have zero prospects behind him that will be pushing him out. That isn't the case if he signs with some other teams considering his age and likely decline into irrelevance in the next year or two.

 

Or just throw some big $$ at Infante. I know many don't like that option but 4/36 for infante has minimal consequence to a team nearing $150M in payroll and isn't the same in terms of the risk associated with higher end FA's.

 

Sign Infante and trade for a 3 WAR SP and we likely improve overall by 3-4 wins depending on how much value your truly believe our #5 options and an Izzy/Goins platoon will provide. That inches us closer to a 90 win team.

[G-Snarls]

one of those prospects looks capable of contributing a win or so to the 2014 roster.

 

Said prospect is infuriated by this post and plans to make it TWO wins just to spite you

 

#Bitches #GottaBelieve #Starving #HDMH #FOE

 

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[TwistedLogic]

I just find it idiotic that he isn't in on any FA. I firmly believe that many won't want to sign here and that he likely has to overpay, however, that can't be the case for every FA. A guy like Ellis for instance might strongly consider a team like ours knowing we have zero prospects behind him that will be pushing him out. That isn't the case if he signs with some other teams considering his age and likely decline into irrelevance in the next year or two.

 

Or just throw some big $$ at Infante. I know many don't like that option but 4/36 for infante has minimal consequence to a team nearing $150M in payroll and isn't the same in terms of the risk associated with higher end FA's.

 

Sign Infante and trade for a 3 WAR SP and we likely improve overall by 3-4 wins depending on how much value your truly believe our #5 options and an Izzy/Goins platoon will provide. That inches us closer to a 90 win team.

 

Exactly. There is absolutely no f***ing way I can turn my head away from a contract like that after seeing what Beltran and Nolasco signed for, and how big of a need we have at 2B. I don't care if people don't think he's worth that much, that is how much money the Jays should throw at him.

 

I just hope that we don't some day find out that the Jays did try to get him and he chose not to come here because of that stupid Rasmus incident.

[Boxcar]

I just find it idiotic that he isn't in on any FA. I firmly believe that many won't want to sign here and that he likely has to overpay, however, that can't be the case for every FA. A guy like Ellis for instance might strongly consider a team like ours knowing we have zero prospects behind him that will be pushing him out. That isn't the case if he signs with some other teams considering his age and likely decline into irrelevance in the next year or two.

 

Or just throw some big $$ at Infante. I know many don't like that option but 4/36 for infante has minimal consequence to a team nearing $150M in payroll and isn't the same in terms of the risk associated with higher end FA's.

 

Sign Infante and trade for a 3 WAR SP and we likely improve overall by 3-4 wins depending on how much value your truly believe our #5 options and an Izzy/Goins platoon will provide. That inches us closer to a 90 win team.

 

It's just so stupid that he's so eager for trades when there are plenty of decent options in FA. Reeks of incompetence.

[Chappy]

It's just so stupid that he's so eager for trades when there are plenty of decent options in FA. Reeks of incompetence.

 

Something surely isn't adding up. No one can be that stupid though, especially considering he has stated in the past that money is available should he need it. Either he believes he can obtain superior players via trade or the FA's he has inquired on have basically told him to f*** off. In either case, if his objective is to get this team the final 3-5 wins it needs, Infante alone adds 2 wins and he still has trade chips to address the rotation. It's frustrating to think he could end up making some deals that address needs yet may not actually translate to an overall improvement.

[TwistedLogic]

Something surely isn't adding up. No one can be that stupid though, especially considering he has stated in the past that money is available should he need it. Either he believes he can obtain superior players via trade or the FA's he has inquired on have basically told him to f*** off. In either case, if his objective is to get this team the final 3-5 wins it needs, Infante alone adds 2 wins and he still has trade chips to address the rotation. It's frustrating to think he could end up making some deals that address needs yet may not actually translate to an overall improvement.

 

Option 3 is that Rogers is pissed that the Jays finished in the cellar after all of that invested money last year and aren't willing to spend more. We're also overlooking the fact that all the praise AA has had for Rogers' willingness to cooperate thus far was under the Nadir Mohammed regime. Rogers has a new CEO and it might be significantly harder for AA's camp to request FA money form a guy who just got in the chair.

[dineke]

They're saving money for Cliff Lee.

[Chappy]

Option 3 is that Rogers is pissed that the Jays finished in the cellar after all of that invested money last year and aren't willing to spend more. We're also overlooking the fact that all the praise AA has had for Rogers' willingness to cooperate thus far was under the Nadir Mohammed regime. Rogers has a new CEO and it might be significantly harder for AA's camp to request FA money form a guy who just got in the chair.

 

Perhaps, but I'm not so sure about that, but really no one knows. They keep such a tight lid on things. Even recent comments by AA suggest that payroll isn't an issue if you read between the lines. I don't know what to make of it really, so I'm sticking by my original stance to wait until the dust settles as I really think AA has an opportunity to redeem himself.

[Chappy]

They're saving money for Cliff Lee.

 

You and your GF must be excited.