Report: Mariners Willing to be Morons - Sign Cano 10 years 240M

[crmr]

He demanded 10/252 after Mariners offered 9/225

 

https://twitter.com/FeinsandNYDN/status/

 

 

Oh lord

 

Jay-Z loses his first client about 40 million?

[Key22]

I kind of understand what Rosenthal says but to be fair to the Mariners you have to start somewhere. Sure 2014 they may not have enough weapons as Rosenthal points out but if they sign Cano and with a decent rotation and a lights out ace - they may have enough credibility to attract free agents. If they have huge money pouring in they can buy a lot of pieces and have some trade chips to strengthen other parts. Cano should be very good for another 7 years - but plenty of players have been effective past forty at least at the plate. An average of 22.5 million for Cano for ten years is quite a good price. A lot worse players are raking in that kind of salary - Cano's the best player in the game.

 

Seriously -

 

Reyes

Bautista

Cano

Encarnacion

Rasmus

Lawrie

Lind

Navarro

Melky/Gose

 

That would make me wet myself.

 

The thing about the money talk is it's just money. The Yankees don't care if they pay more than they should pay or pay too much $ per War so long as they GET the WAR.

 

Teams that won't overpay won't get the players and if you don't get the players you lose.

 

Frankly if the Jays can't get the pitching I kind of wish they would walk in and offer Cano $250 million for 10 years. Or be creative and do a $130/5 year dealer (since the Jays won't go beyond 5) and then have a series of vesting options based on MVP standing and PA. If he's healthy and performs over the first 5 years a vesting option of 5 years kicks in at the same $130 million/5. A series of lesser vesting options can kick in. The contract would be $260million but with a little less risk to the team. But at $35million more it would still blow Seattle or NY out of the water. And if he does perform then he's worth the money and the vesting option.

 

We need a second baseman. We need pitching more but sometimes you takes what is available when it's available. Cano is available - pitching really isn't. If we want a decent number 3 starter it's going to cost as Sanchez and/or Stroman. The free agent pitchers are iffy at best. Get Cano wait till next year - Romero's contract will be getting close to ending. 2014 off season maybe there is pitching - maybe the Jays have another pile of money to spend. One more year of farm system growth and trade chips.

[flafson]

I honestly don't think any player is worth that kind of money, it's insane.

[Key22]

Trout. (sorry)

 

Cano is the best second baseman in the game. But actually you're right I just peaked at his numbers and they're considerably lower than I thought (I'm an OPS guy). I thought they were higher like .980+ more like .880 - .930 and he isn't Roberto Alomar on defense. High home run rates but he's in a good line-up and has a short porch in right.

 

Maybe I just want the Jays to do something that shows we can improve - Navarro isn't exactly - well anything.

[TheHurl]

And attracting top free agents has been the success formula for the following:

[eastcoastjaysfan]

Makes me feel so f***ing warm inside to read that report. I hope it's true. Sure it helps us far more if he ends up in Seattle rather than New York, but it always feels good to see *******s lose money. I used to love Cano until this whole thing went down.

 

This guy was a f***ing kid in the Dominican Republic. He's seen the conditions there and how desperate kids are to get out of there, how baseball is their only ticket to a life. He should be thanking his lucky stars that he had baseball roots in his own family, which no-doubt helped in his discovery, but instead they pull this s*** with the Mariners, who were essentially bidding against themselves for the sake of it.

 

The Mariners are completely justified in being pissed off about it.

 

Well said. 15 years ago this guy was probably living under a banana tree using garbage bags as shoes.

 

This is digusting. I hope Jay Z AKA "JIGGA MAN" never lives this down

[G-Snarls]

Reyes

Bautista

Cano

Encarnacion

Rasmus

Lawrie

Lind

Navarro

Melky/Gose

 

We need to stop doing this

 

That lineup makes me swoon and drool

[xposbrad]

I bet you Boras is laughing his ass off at how bad of a choice Cano made in going with Jay Z.

[G-Snarls]

Well said. 15 years ago this guy was probably living under a banana tree using garbage bags as shoes.

 

This is digusting. I hope Jay Z AKA "JIGGA MAN" never lives this down

 

Seems to happen to almost every mid-late 20's ball player, no matter how decent they may have seemed before. They start seeing $ signs and get greedy. On the one hand it bothers me when they start acting like this, on the other hand I can kinda sorta understand. A little bit. It's your ONE massive payday and you want to maximize it.

[G-Snarls]

We need to stop doing this

 

That lineup makes me swoon and drool

 

Funny how replacing just one name makes such a difference to that lineup

 

Scratch the name "Goins/Izturis" from the lineup and insert "Cano" and the whole complexion of it changes.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

We need to stop doing this

 

That lineup makes me swoon and drool

 

5-9 of that lineup is not even good.

[G-Snarls]

5-9 of that lineup is not even good.

 

Lind platooned 20% of the time is good

 

Melky might be good to very good (yes, he's a question mark)

 

And Lawrie is gonna hit, don't worry

[G-Snarls]

I think that Cano never wanted to leave new york

 

This Seattle thing was just a way to get max value

 

You are correct sir!!

 

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_lAvoWe81Wts/TTEcRZvqu_I/AAAAAAAAAQ4/YzHKdZSDhrg/s200/phil_hartman-as-ed_mcmahon.jpg

[Angrioter]

I think that Cano never wanted to leave new york

 

This Seattle thing was just a way to get max value

 

.........and now you're smart.

The weekend trips to RD would be bothersome.

[Key22]

What is the success formula. The jays won two world series titles - But they signed Molitor and Jack Morris and Dave Stewart in the second year. The Yankees have made the playoffs all but twice in 19 years. Largely on the back of signing free agents. You can;t guarantee a WS ring but they did get themselves a better chance year in and year out than any other MLB club - by outspending everyone else. This includes their own home grown players who they resigned (that still counts as a free agent - they merely locked them up).

 

The problem the Jays have is they can't get any free agents worth having and so they're forced to develop players or make trades (they had to trade to get Carter and Robbie too).

 

As you noted there is not exact science in drafting - so it is completely unrealistic to think the Jays can draft an all star team. They have to blend free agency, drafting and develop along with trades. Good teams can do all three and have money to keep the best of them. The Yankess and Boston - the latter drafts as well or better than the Jays - they spend more money, they make trades that work.

 

Free agents put teams over the top.

 

The jays can't rely on the draft. It takes too long. The Yankees heavily win because they can afford to retain their best players and they can afford to overpay free agents. Usually that combination gets them in the playoffs - the draft? yes they got/get expensive higher end talent that fell to them because theprices were too high for the poor teams - so while they drafted at 30/31 they got better players who fell to them because KC and Houston (and probably Toronto) were too cheap.

 

The Yankees can also afford to buy their way out of mistakes - sign a lemon free agent - no problem make a trade for some guy another team is salary dumping.

[kcjaysfan]

I honestly don't think any player is worth that kind of money, it's insane.

 

It depends on whether you consider worth to be what the market will bear, or whether you assign another abitrary metric as worth.

[TheHurl]

The FA market in 1991 is very different from today and that is the issue is that there are still people who think the same way. The Yankees had very good success with CC and a little bit of success with Jason Giambi back in the early 2000's. Pretty sure those are the only players who led their team in WAR who weren't developed or traded for. There are some success stories in free agency but signing the top free agents is seldom the route to go. Manny Ramirez is the other FA success story I can think of...and their GM not only got fired for it they actually tried to put ManRam on waivers in 2003 hoping someone would take him.

[Angrioter]

If I was the yankees I would wait this out. Once Cano has burned bridges to other teams id offer him something like 10 years 170

 

What do you think the Yankees are doing? lol

[Nox]

(I'm an OPS guy).

 

That's not really a valid option.

[TheHurl]

That's not really a valid option.

 

Gets some people FO jobs

[Angrioter]

Rosenthal

Source: Talks between Cano, #Mariners still alive.

[Angrioter]

 

Tai Walker, welcome to the AL East!!

[HERPDERP]

What a shame. I was hoping Jay Z would have fallen flat on his face.

 

Interesting to see the #'s though.

[Dylan]

Lets go mariners!!!

[havok24]

What are the Mariners doing? For f*** sakes.

[Dylan]

What are the Mariners doing? For f*** sakes.

 

Winning back their fanbase short term

[Angrioter]

 

10/240m

[Dylan]

The Mariners and Robinson Cano are in agreement on a 10-year, $240MM contract, according to Enrique Rojas of ESPNDeportes.com (Spanish link).

[imsorry4beatinU]

 

10/240m

 

so Jayz did get more money for Cano

[imsorry4beatinU]

Its agreed!!