I'm Getting that Aaron Hill feeling with JP Arencibia

[SantosLHalper21]

After the Jays declined their option on JP Arencibia, the wheels got turning and I got this bad feeling JP Arencibia may come back to bite the Jays in the rear end and end up turning his career around somewhere else.

 

Yes he's a bad game caller and yes he needs work defensively, but to be honest, that can all be worked on. With the proper defensive coach, Arencibia could be an average defender anywhere in the majors.

 

As for his bat, much like Hill who couldn't hit a beach ball in his final year with the Jays, Arencibia struck-out more times than Pee-Wee Herman at the Playboy Mansion.

 

Like Hill, Arencibia was a first-round draft pick with loads of potential, and both can be argued, were given up on far too soon. Both batted near or below the Mendoza line in their final year with the Jays and after that, were given up on. At least with Hill, the Jays were able to fetch a decent asset in Kelly Johnson, who elected to bail on the team as a free agent.

 

I'm hoping he finds the right set of coaches to properly help him along the way.

 

I'm not predicting all-star numbers, but I can seriously see a .240 avg with 30 HR and 85+ RBI's with the right set of coaches. I sincerely hope for the best with him, but I'm getting this bad feeling we may be giving up on him too soon. From catcher of the future, to nothing in one season...seems very peculiar.

[G-Snarls]

Wow there are a ton of "new" posters this week

[connorp]

Wow there are a ton of "new" posters this week

 

Feels like Dogg is coming out of retirement

[Sammy225]

But Aaron Hill had plate discipline and did not strike out every other at bat. He also had past history of success at the ML level unlike JPA. Also he would take instruction as per JPA he thinks is approach is not worth changing. There is not a lot of similarities between the two.

[Jays]

It hurts me deeply to think of all the potential RBI's we could be losing by giving up on JPA.

[TwistedLogic]

After the Jays declined their option on JP Arencibia, the wheels got turning and I got this bad feeling JP Arencibia may come back to bite the Jays in the rear end and end up turning his career around somewhere else.

 

Yes he's a bad game caller and yes he needs work defensively, but to be honest, that can all be worked on. With the proper defensive coach, Arencibia could be an average defender anywhere in the majors.

 

As for his bat, much like Hill who couldn't hit a beach ball in his final year with the Jays, Arencibia struck-out more times than Pee-Wee Herman at the Playboy Mansion.

 

Like Hill, Arencibia was a first-round draft pick with loads of potential, and both can be argued, were given up on far too soon. Both batted near or below the Mendoza line in their final year with the Jays and after that, were given up on. At least with Hill, the Jays were able to fetch a decent asset in Kelly Johnson, who elected to bail on the team as a free agent.

 

I'm hoping he finds the right set of coaches to properly help him along the way.

 

I'm not predicting all-star numbers, but I can seriously see a .240 avg with 30 HR and 85+ RBI's with the right set of coaches. I sincerely hope for the best with him, but I'm getting this bad feeling we may be giving up on him too soon. From catcher of the future, to nothing in one season...seems very peculiar.

He didn't go from catcher of the future to nothing in one season, he's always been garbage. He's posted less than a win in his three+ seasons in the majors.

 

Gave up on him too soon? So you think they should have continued to play him at the major league level despite the fact that you admit yourself that he's a bad game caller and terrible defensively? Do you acknowledge that he had the 2nd worst OBP in Major league history since the year 1900? So after establishing that he's useless defensively, useless offensively, and a useless game caller, you think we should have continued to start him during our minute window of contention?

 

Or are you suggesting we should have opted to take him to arbitration while being tight on payroll, sign him for 2-3M and pay him millions of dollars to play in the minors along with Romero and potentially pass up another asset that we could attain in that much money?

[Angrioter]

[jays_fever]

And we're back to new threads based on random personal opinions..not actual topics. Awesome

[G-Snarls]

And we're back to new threads based on random personal opinions..not actual topics. Awesome

 

Just like the old days!!

[Dick_Pole]

It hurts me deeply to think of all the potential RBI's we could be losing by giving up on JPA.

 

55? For a full time player with 500 PA? Meh I suppose that's pretty good...for a catcher from 1988. I mean, not Pat Borders good, but still pretty good.

 

Ok just checked...I take that back...Pat Borders good.

[Dick_Pole]

And we're back to new threads based on random personal opinions..not actual topics. Awesome

 

They have to compete with the teenie boppers who want to be first on this board to report on every minor MLB deal possible I suppose.

[GD]

reported

[Atothe]

After the Jays declined their option on JP Arencibia, the wheels got turning and I got this bad feeling JP Arencibia may come back to bite the Jays in the rear end and end up turning his career around somewhere else.

 

Yes he's a bad game caller and yes he needs work defensively, but to be honest, that can all be worked on. With the proper defensive coach, Arencibia could be an average defender anywhere in the majors.

 

As for his bat, much like Hill who couldn't hit a beach ball in his final year with the Jays, Arencibia struck-out more times than Pee-Wee Herman at the Playboy Mansion.

 

Like Hill, Arencibia was a first-round draft pick with loads of potential, and both can be argued, were given up on far too soon. Both batted near or below the Mendoza line in their final year with the Jays and after that, were given up on. At least with Hill, the Jays were able to fetch a decent asset in Kelly Johnson, who elected to bail on the team as a free agent.

 

I'm hoping he finds the right set of coaches to properly help him along the way.

 

I'm not predicting all-star numbers, but I can seriously see a .240 avg with 30 HR and 85+ RBI's with the right set of coaches. I sincerely hope for the best with him, but I'm getting this bad feeling we may be giving up on him too soon. From catcher of the future, to nothing in one season...seems very peculiar.

 

Please BAN! Not joking, dude refuses to understand what garbage is because Jp has "power"

[Atothe]

Close this f***ing thread Mod

[SantosLHalper21]

This is a message board, I thought its sole purpose was to create discussion. Sorry for thinking that dealing away a top 3 prospect catcher of the future for Dickey and making JPA the full-time catcher meant he WASN'T the catcher of the future. Can't create discussion threads...it seems I have to have links to articles on the Jays going after a legit 2B to garner any respect from you guys around here.

[Atothe]

This is a message board, I thought its sole purpose was to create discussion. Sorry for thinking that dealing away a top 3 prospect catcher of the future for Dickey and making JPA the full-time catcher meant he WASN'T the catcher of the future. Can't create discussion threads...it seems I have to have links to articles on the Jays going after a legit 2B to garner any respect from you guys around here.

 

Have you or have you not looked at any other stats but power?

[Atothe]

This is a message board, I thought its sole purpose was to create discussion. Sorry for thinking that dealing away a top 3 prospect catcher of the future for Dickey and making JPA the full-time catcher meant he WASN'T the catcher of the future. Can't create discussion threads...it seems I have to have links to articles on the Jays going after a legit 2B to garner any respect from you guys around here.

 

and rbi?

[TheHurl]

If JP has a lower than 20% k-rate wherever he ends up...the Jays should fire every single person in their org from top to bottom. I'm talking about PA announcers in Dunedin, guy sweeping the bird s*** in Vancouver. Just a cleaning of the system

[TheHurl]

Little known fact that the guy sweeping the bird s*** in Vancouver actually misses 25% of the s***, mostly cause he can't walk

[flafson]

To be honest, i want JP on a minor league deal but i don't see it happening on so many levels.

[Atothe]

To be honest, i want JP on a minor league deal but i don't see it happening on so many levels.

 

Be objective, what is the best case if that were to happen? I think he will be a journeyman for the rest of his career

[Jays]

Be objective, what is the best case if that were to happen? I think he will be a journeyman for the rest of his career

 

Jays are in the wild card hunt when Navarro gets injured in late August and JPA BABIP's his way into Bluejays history. The headlines will read "Jays win World Series on Arencibia's walk off blooper."

[Atothe]

Jays are in the wild card hunt when Navarro gets injured in late August and JPA BABIP's his way into Bluejays history. The headlines will read "Jays win World Series on Arencibia's walk off blooper."

 

Jays in wild card hunt loool

[Jays]

Jays in wild card hunt loool

 

It's not too crazy in a best case scenerio. We still have some offseason left to add to the team and they need to add to have a chance.

[SantosLHalper21]

What else did Aaron Hill provide in that season he hit .206...home runs and pop outs. JPA provided HR's and K's. The only difference is Hill at least made contact.

 

With a new hitting coach and philosophy of playing gap to gap, I thought because of Arencibia's great opposite field power, that he could not only hit home runs, but hit for extra bases to the opposite field. I thought Seitzer could've brought out the best in Arencibia, even if he struck out 130+ times next season, but still hit .240 with 25+ HR's and 75+ RBI's and likely 30+ doubles.

 

JP's power was better than ARod's in high school (HGH enduced or not), and produced well in the minors, minus one awful PCL season. He returned the following year and hit .301 with Vegas.

 

I'm sorry, but giving up on a youngster 3 years into his MLB career, whom has enormous power potential..just makes no sense to me. Fine Navarro is around, that's great. What I wanted was Navarro to PUSH Arencibia to be a slightly more patient hitter, and a better player overall. Again, I'm out to lunch according to you armchair baseball experts.

[Atothe]

It's not too crazy in a best case scenerio. We still have some offseason left to add to the team and they need to add to have a chance.

 

Yuo know AA is our gm right, this guy will trade our most valuable asset for something of lesser valuable. Our best player is injury prone, our pitching staff is unreliable, no second baseman worth speaking of, melky is essentially an old 30 year old and Brett lawrie is an enigma. Our most consistent and valuable pieces are the bullpen which is ridiculous to trust year to year

[John_Havok]

I'm sorry, but giving up on a youngster 3 years into his MLB career, whom has enormous power potential..just makes no sense to me. Fine Navarro is around, that's great. What I wanted was Navarro to PUSH Arencibia to be a slightly more patient hitter, and a better player overall. Again, I'm out to lunch according to you armchair baseball experts.

 

Oh don't get your panties in a bunch. You're as much an "armchair expert" as anyone here. I think the point that people have in their approval; of JPA hitting the bricks is that he just put up one of the worst season's in the history of the game. Do you know how many qualified seasons have been played so far in the history of MLB? Tens of thousands. JPA was one of the worst... in the tens of thousands of qualified seasons of baseball. It was his 3rd full year, and he's not a "youngster." going into next year he will be 28, that's typically not an age where a guy suddenly changes everything about his game and becomes good. And even if it were the case where a team wants to take a chance and work with him, you sure as hell don't do it in a year where your team believes(rightly or wrongly) that they are trying to make a push for the playoffs. You also don't want a guy around who shoots his mouth off to the media just because they criticize his play and tell everyone in the world that you are speaking on behalf of the whole team especially when he's in the middle of, just in case you missed it earlier, one of the worst seasons in the history of major league baseball.

 

Can he be better? Sure. It's practically impossible to be worse... and whatever team that might pick him up, I say good luck.

[Atothe]

What else did Aaron Hill provide in that season he hit .206...home runs and pop outs. JPA provided HR's and K's. The only difference is Hill at least made contact.

 

With a new hitting coach and philosophy of playing gap to gap, I thought because of Arencibia's great opposite field power, that he could not only hit home runs, but hit for extra bases to the opposite field. I thought Seitzer could've brought out the best in Arencibia, even if he struck out 130+ times next season, but still hit .240 with 25+ HR's and 75+ RBI's and likely 30+ doubles.

 

JP's power was better than ARod's in high school (HGH enduced or not), and produced well in the minors, minus one awful PCL season. He returned the following year and hit .301 with Vegas.

 

I'm sorry, but giving up on a youngster 3 years into his MLB career, whom has enormous power potential..just makes no sense to me. Fine Navarro is around, that's great. What I wanted was Navarro to PUSH Arencibia to be a slightly more patient hitter, and a better player overall. Again, I'm out to lunch according to you armchair baseball experts.

 

J.P

avg.212 obp.258 slg.408 woba .288 wrc+ 76 career war 0.9

 

Aaron Hill

avg.273 obp.329 slg.434 woba .332 wrc+ 101 career war 20.6

 

Arod

avg.299 obp.384 slg.558 woba .400 wrc +143 career war 111.0

 

I dare you to compare him to Hill and Arod again, triple dare you

[Dick_Pole]

What else did Aaron Hill provide in that season he hit .206...home runs and pop outs. JPA provided HR's and K's. The only difference is Hill at least made contact.

 

With a new hitting coach and philosophy of playing gap to gap, I thought because of Arencibia's great opposite field power, that he could not only hit home runs, but hit for extra bases to the opposite field. I thought Seitzer could've brought out the best in Arencibia, even if he struck out 130+ times next season, but still hit .240 with 25+ HR's and 75+ RBI's and likely 30+ doubles.

 

JP's power was better than ARod's in high school (HGH enduced or not), and produced well in the minors, minus one awful PCL season. He returned the following year and hit .301 with Vegas.

 

I'm sorry, but giving up on a youngster 3 years into his MLB career, whom has enormous power potential..just makes no sense to me. Fine Navarro is around, that's great. What I wanted was Navarro to PUSH Arencibia to be a slightly more patient hitter, and a better player overall. Again, I'm out to lunch according to you armchair baseball experts.

 

Navarro is 23 months older than JP. Subtract a couple days from that too.

[jays_fever]

Little known fact that the guy sweeping the bird s*** in Vancouver actually misses 25% of the s***, mostly cause he can't walk

 

This made my week