Jays targetting Jeff Samardzija and/or Ryan Hanigan

[KingKat]

Yes I did the ZiPS team projections and we were 2nd in AL behind Angels if I recall.

 

Behind the Angels? Well that sure didn't work out.

[KingKat]

Who projected massive declines from Pujols and Hamilton? No one.

 

Presumably projections whiff on Pujols because they go by his listed age.

[Howard Roark]

Who projected massive declines from Pujols and Hamilton? No one.

 

Would be interesting if somebody created a metric to account for the near-universal phenomenon of star players suddenly falling off a cliff when signing deals for 7+ years at $20M+.

[Abomination]

Would be interesting if somebody created a metric to account for the near-universal phenomenon of star players suddenly falling off a cliff when signing deals for 7+ years at $20M+.

 

You'd have to target it to contracts that were considered big at the time of signing. Otherwise the sample size would probably be too small.

[Dr. Dinger]

Who projected massive declines from Pujols and Hamilton? No one.

 

This is sarcasm I assume.

[connorp]

As long as there's an extension involved, I still don't like it though.

 

Why? If Jays can get him on a good deal..... they can only hope in a few years that Sanchez establishes himself as having the floor of a very good mid-rotation guy with the ability to be a fonrt-end one.

 

It would actually be a hard deal to lose unless you really thought Sanchez was a cant miss ace

[connorp]

Who projected massive declines from Pujols and Hamilton? No one.

 

Not 2k13!..lol.. Think they had them at 96 overall and best team in mlb

[connorp]

Sure, that's the flip of course, how about the ++ you're forgetting about that?

 

Yeah depends what that is of course but if Stroman isnt one of the "+" 's, I'm not too worried about it.

[connorp]

lol.......what if it's Hutch and Gose? Same indifference, I personally see Hutch as a strong 3, not to mention what Gose is capable of?

 

That would be tough. Jays need some young SP. Hutch and Stroman are the only hope in near future. I dont know though. I really like Shark. I would do Sanchez + Gose + Drabek + Pillar and be ok with it. assuming extension. Not sure if they would bite though

[z3r0s]

This is sarcasm I assume.

 

Did you predict the type of declines in 1-2 years that they saw? I sure didn't.

 

I knew they were going to be SHITE by the time the deals expired, but not in the first 1-4 years.

[Angrioter]

MLBTR Cubs Interested In Storen, Clippard

 

Delabar/Cecil +++ for Shark

[Sammy225]

MLBTR Cubs Interested In Storen, Clippard

 

Delabar/Cecil +++ for Shark

 

f*** me if he is traded for that lol.

[Angrioter]

f*** me if he is traded for that lol.

 

Delabar/Cecil + Nolin + Gose

[Sammy225]

Delabar/Cecil + Nolin + Gose

 

That would give me a little more faith in AA after most was lost last year.

[Howard Roark]

You'd have to target it to contracts that were considered big at the time of signing. Otherwise the sample size would probably be too small.

 

Granted. Still, that'd be interesting to see.

[Howard Roark]

Who projected massive declines from Pujols and Hamilton? No one.

 

Your gut didn't tell you to expect anything else? Lifetime guaranteed financial security robs people of a huge reservoir of motivation, no matter what they do for a living.

[GD]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/12/blue-jays-notes-rasmus-bautista-anthopoulos.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

The Cubs are asking for Marcus Stroman, Aaron Sanchez and a third prospect from the Blue Jays for Jeff Samardzija, Elliott reports.

 

I don't know if this was already mentioned, but jesus f***.

[Abomination]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/12/blue-jays-notes-rasmus-bautista-anthopoulos.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

 

 

I don't know if this was already mentioned, but jesus f***.

 

I don't think it was, but I saw that a few mins ago. I hope AA told them where they could go.

[Anemic0ffense]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/12/blue-jays-notes-rasmus-bautista-anthopoulos.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

 

 

I don't know if this was already mentioned, but jesus f***.

 

Suicide watch will be at high alert for posters on this board if that deal happens

[ElNik2013]

I don't think it was, but I saw that a few mins ago. I hope AA told them where they could go.

 

 

I hope so as well, but nothing would surprise me after the Dickey trade.

[GD]

That would just be so f***ing dumn.

[G-Snarls]

A bunch of people here think we can get him without either Stroman or Sanchez lol.

 

I suspect most presumed one or the other in the package

 

The fact that they want both is obviously why AA (thankfully) hasn't done it

[Abomination]

I suspect most presumed one or the other in the package

 

The fact that they want both is obviously why AA (thankfully) hasn't done it

 

I bet the third prospect they want isn't a scrub either.

[G-Snarls]

I bet the third prospect they want isn't a scrub either.

 

Fair assumption

 

Theo ain't no dope

[theblujay]

That deal is making me enraged even as a rumor.

[ElNik2013]

AA already proved willing to part with his top 2 prospects for Dickey so I can see why the Cubs would ask for so much. We'll see what happens.

[Chappy]

AA already proved willing to part with his top 2 prospects for Dickey so I can see why the Cubs would ask for so much. We'll see what happens.

 

AA has pretty much stated he won't deal both, and I doubt he does.

[TwistedLogic]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/12/blue-jays-notes-rasmus-bautista-anthopoulos.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

 

I don't know if this was already mentioned, but jesus f***.

 

This shouldn't surprise anybody. I'd rather give Sanchez+Stroman for Samardzija than I would give Syndergaard+d'Arnaud for Dickey. We know that and the Cubs know that. If I was Epstein I'd be offended if they offered anything less after seeing how they opted to so readily let the Mets penetrate them last year.

[ElNik2013]

AA has pretty much stated he won't deal both, and I doubt he does.

 

 

I certainly hope he doesn't, I'm just saying, given what he gave up for Dickey, I don't think we'd be shocked.

[ElNik2013]

This shouldn't surprise anybody. I'd rather give Sanchez+Stroman for Samardzija than I would give Syndergaard+d'Arnaud for Dickey. We know that and the Cubs know that. If I was Epstein I'd be offended if they offered anything less after seeing how they opted to so readily let the Mets penetrate them last year.

 

 

Exactly right. Although I wouldn't make either trade.