David Price blasts Dirk Hayhurst and Tom Verducci

[Convo]

Meh.. I understand where its coming from. So i wouldnt call him a douchbag. Ordinary people that talk s*** to a celeb dying for a response are pretty douchey.... But unbecoming of an athlete/celeb for sure. Needs more self esteem apparently

 

"Trust me … I don't want sympathy … I got beat tonight … so be it … I'll bounce back. .. 3XALLSTAR … 2 time player choice … runnerup Cy … AND CY""

 

I would imagine he was drunk. But it's still pretty damn arrogant to go preaching about all of your awards after the loss.

[Laika]

I never thought baseball players were smart, but man, twitter makes you realize just how stupid most of them really are. It's remarkable how dumb these multimillionaires can be.

 

You've got guys who went to college for three years that aren't smart enough to resist spelling mistake ridden and awkward hashtag laden tirades against e-haters... and then guys like Lawrie who are still trying to learn how to properly use punctuation.

 

I don't even like following players on twitter anymore because I'd rather just ignorantly respect them the small little bit that I tend to by default.

 

I always thought Price was a somewhat heady guy, for some reason.

[connorp]

"Trust me … I don't want sympathy

… I got beat tonight … so be it … I'll bounce back. .. 3XALLSTAR … 2 time player choice … runnerup Cy … AND CY""

 

I would imagine he was drunk. But it's still pretty damn arrogant to go preaching about all of your awards after the loss.

 

He went spouting off about awards cause he was getting trolled to s***..and he prob had a few cocktails too..i can understand the human element. But he should be more secure as multi-millionaire star to be getting into with bum sox fans who prob live at home still

[43211234]

With that maturity on social media, he's a perfect fit for the Blue Jays.

[G-Snarls]

With that maturity on social media, he's a perfect fit for the Blue Jays.

 

I'd still take him.

[GD]

With that maturity on social media, he's a perfect fit for the Blue Jays.

 

Exactly! So let's just have the Rays give him and his terrible awful attitude to us for next to nothing!

 

Pretty please?

[KingKat]

He went spouting off about awards cause he was getting trolled to s***..and he prob had a few cocktails too..i can understand the human element. But he should be more secure as multi-millionaire star to be getting into with bum sox fans who prob live at home still

 

I love that you called his drinks of choice "cocktails". It gives me a mental image of him drowning his sorrows in a mai-tai after the game.

[Boxcar]

I love that you called his drinks of choice "cocktails". It gives me a mental image of him drowning his sorrows in a mai-tai after the game.

 

Seems more like the Bellini type to me.

[TheHurl]

The thought of AA dealing with Friedman terrifies me...but as a Rays fan excites me.

[KingKat]

The thought of AA dealing with Friedman terrifies me...but as a Rays fan excites me.

 

You think AA is going to deal for Price? He really shouldn't but I could see AA tricking himself into thinking he's still an ace.

[Angrioter]

Excellent read

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/tampa-bay-rays-david-price-tweets-revenge-of-the-nerds-ken-rosenthal-100613

[Boxcar]

Excellent read

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/tampa-bay-rays-david-price-tweets-revenge-of-the-nerds-ken-rosenthal-100613

 

"Next spring training when we have our media training, you're going to see this as a perfect example of what not to do,” Maddon said. “That was my first thought when I heard about all this."

 

Wow, they are going to correct a guy acting like a jackass on twitter? The Jays are so pathetic. They let JP go on and on all season long.

[Angrioter]

"Next spring training when we have our media training, you're going to see this as a perfect example of what not to do,” Maddon said. “That was my first thought when I heard about all this."

 

Wow, they are going to correct a guy acting like a jackass on twitter? The Jays are so pathetic. They let JP go on and on all season long.

 

Maddon is really good, He deserves more credit

[jaysblue]

You think AA is going to deal for Price? He really shouldn't but I could see AA tricking himself into thinking he's still an ace.

 

How is he not an ace?

[NorthOf49]

How is he not an ace?

Gotta protect your assets, eh?

 

I'll say that Price is still an ace. What little he's lost in stuff has been made up in command. Not getting to 200 innings is worrisome though.

[Dr. Dinger]

Not really worrisome, he missed a few starts early on but was typical Price in the 2nd half. His IP/start was actually higher than 2011 or 2012. Still an ace for my money.

[jaysblue]

Gotta protect your assets, eh?

 

I'll say that Price is still an ace. What little he's lost in stuff has been made up in command. Not getting to 200 innings is worrisome though.

 

Haha you bet!

 

On a serious note though, his command this season was excellent - best K/BB ratio of any AL starter. As for not getting to 200 innings, he was on the DL for about a good month and a half of the season. He still managed to pitch 186.2 innings in 27 starts this season. Since coming back from the DL, I believe he led the league in innings pitched as well. I'm not sure what there is to worry about. Since returning back from the DL in July he has looked great. He's still one of the elite starters in my book.

[NorthOf49]

Not really worrisome, he missed a few starts early on but was typical Price in the 2nd half. His IP/start was actually higher than 2011 or 2012. Still an ace for my money.

He was out for 44 games with a triceps strain, that worries me.

[KingKat]

How is he not an ace?

 

He just doesn't have the fastball velocity he used to. His fastball lived above 95 last year and now he only hits that sporadically. The drop in velocity is the biggest of his career. That being said, his K/BB was better than ever so as NorthOf49 says, he does seem to have made up for it with better command (career low walk rate). He's certainly not the same as he was before but he's not necessarily less of an ace. By lowering the walks, he's maintained basically the same K-BB/9 as last year.

 

I guess what I'm saying is I don't know. I started this reply wanting dismiss this season as a fluke for a pitcher with declining skills but maybe it isn't. Can you fluke your way into a career best K/BB? If your K-BB/9 is the same, doesn't that make you essentially the same ace pitcher you were last year? Maybe, his drop in velocity is somewhat intentional. Perhaps he's dialing down in order to better hit his spots (which would probably help him benefit more from Molina's framing). Maybe there's nothing to be afraid of?

[G-Snarls]

Maybe, his drop in velocity is somewhat intentional. Perhaps he's dialing down in order to better hit his spots

 

Quite possible. Hard throwers do this sometimes, sometimes with good effect (see Morrow, Brandon)

 

Can you fluke your way into a career best K/BB?

 

I can't imagine how you could. Best ratio in the AL.

[connorp]

He just doesn't have the fastball velocity he used to. His fastball lived above 95 last year and now he only hits that sporadically. The drop in velocity is the biggest of his career. That being said, his K/BB was better than ever so as NorthOf49 says, he does seem to have made up for it with better command (career low walk rate). He's certainly not the same as he was before but he's not necessarily less of an ace. By lowering the walks, he's maintained basically the same K-BB/9 as last year.

 

I guess what I'm saying is I don't know. I started this reply wanting dismiss this season as a fluke for a pitcher with declining skills but maybe it isn't. Can you fluke your way into a career best K/BB? If your K-BB/9 is the same, doesn't that make you essentially the same ace pitcher you were last year? Maybe, his drop in velocity is somewhat intentional. Perhaps he's dialing down in order to better hit his spots (which would probably help him benefit more from Molina's framing). Maybe there's nothing to be afraid of?

 

Velocity, while important, doesnt mean anything as far as his ace credentials go. He could go down the Cliff Lee path and be fine. Plenty of guys like Halladay start out as flamethrowers and stay aces even when that goes. Price is clearly of that breed if you base things on this season. Also, he missed some starts and still made 27 starts and almost 190IP.. he's not a serious health risk as others alluded to.

[NorthOf49]

Velocity, while important, doesnt mean anything as far as his ace credentials go. He could go down the Cliff Lee path and be fine. Plenty of guys like Halladay start out as flamethrowers and stay aces even when that goes. Price is clearly of that breed if you base things on this season. Also, he missed some starts and still made 27 starts and almost 190IP.. he's not a serious health risk as others alluded to.

Cliff Lee still gets swinging strikes though - 9.4% this year to Price's 7.9%. 7.9 is pretty mediocre.

 

And Lee has never ever missed a game to arm injury. Neither has Felix, or Verlander (except for a week of fatigue in 2006), or most other present aces. All arm injuries are serious.

[G-Snarls]

And Lee has never ever missed a game to arm injury. Neither has Felix, or Verlander (except for a week of fatigue in 2006), or most other present aces. All arm injuries are serious.

 

Yeah, important points. Perennial stud healthy starters are the rarest commodity in the game. There are so few they're actually with the $$$.

[Nox]

David Price is going to get traded for about 200 cents on the $ ala James Shields in the offseason. There's at least a chance the Jays will be the ones paying the 200 cents.

 

Put me in the bucket of naive fools who didn't realize Price was an uneducated, arrogant douche bag. I hope his financial adviser steals half his $.

[connorp]

David Price is going to get traded for about 200 cents on the $ ala James Shields in the offseason. There's at least a chance the Jays will be the ones paying the 200 cents.

 

Put me in the bucket of naive fools who didn't realize Price was an uneducated, arrogant douche bag. I hope his financial adviser steals half his $.

 

Jays would have trouble scraping together 100 decent cents, much less 200. They dont have blue chip pieces to play

[KingKat]

David Price is going to get traded for about 200 cents on the $ ala James Shields in the offseason. There's at least a chance the Jays will be the ones paying the 200 cents.

 

Put me in the bucket of naive fools who didn't realize Price was an uneducated, arrogant douche bag. I hope his financial adviser steals half his $.

 

Do you expect Price to continue to perform well like Shields did or are you expecting a drop off (I realize that park factors, team defense and strength of schedule can't be accounted for in this prediction but I'm curious about what your general expectation for him going forward is)?

[Laika]

I think you could make a decent argument that David Price is done as an "Ace". That FB is down by a considerable margin, and I'm not sure if the new rock bottom BB rate is true talent / sustainable.

 

I think you could also make a weak argument that David Price never really was a legitimate Ace! His fWAR pitcher ranks by year since 2010 are: 28th, 20th, 8th, 15th.

His yearly peers are often guys like Kuroda, Shields, and Lester, all of which I would consider strong #2s and not Aces.

I generally consider the "Aces" to be top 10 pitchers, and Price hasn't been that in 3 of his 4 full years.

 

But then you look at 2010-2013 in totality and there he is, 8th in total pitching fWAR.

 

If he's been a true Ace, then he's done it with consistency and not big upside. I guess you could say that he's a second tier #1. I mean, he's clearly been a rung below Felix-Kershaw-Lee-Verlander. And on top of that, there are several guys who might have leaped him this year in the arbitrary pitcher rank ladder, such as Fernandez, Scherzer, Sale, Darvish, Harvey , and Anibal.

[KingKat]

Jays would have trouble scraping together 100 decent cents, much less 200. They dont have blue chip pieces to play

 

That's a good point. Jays may not even be in the running. There's not a lot of surplus part to to move. What would a pie in the sky package from the Jays look like? One of Santos/Janssen + one of Gose/Rasmus + Morrow + one of Sanchez/Stroman? Do you accept that if you're the Rays or would you rather deal with a team that has big time prospects

[Laika]

That's a good point. Jays may not even be in the running. There's not a lot of surplus part to to move. What would a pie in the sky package from the Jays look like? One of Santos/Janssen + one of Gose/Rasmus + Morrow + one of Sanchez/Stroman? Do you accept that if you're the Rays or would you rather deal with a team that has big time prospects

 

Judging from the Shields trade, if they move Price they'll be looking for a big fish. I doubt that they'd even consider Sanchez to be such a prize.

 

The Jays don't have a d'Arnaud burning a hole in their pocket like last offseason, and I can't really see the division rivals getting exceptionally creative, so I think it's out of the question.

 

Although, I'm sure that Tampa has taken note of the obvious value that one Ryan Goins brings to the table with his elite defense. Hmmm....

[GD]

That's a good point. Jays may not even be in the running. There's not a lot of surplus part to to move. What would a pie in the sky package from the Jays look like? One of Santos/Janssen + one of Gose/Rasmus + Morrow + one of Sanchez/Stroman? Do you accept that if you're the Rays or would you rather deal with a team that has big time prospects

 

I would probably do that but I have a feeling if Texas offered Profar+ we'd be blown out of the water.