Will Gibbons be the Manager on Opening Day 2014?

[oakville69]

I sure hope you don't mean the subsitute garbage that has been sent on more than one occasion this year.

The AAA roster should be better next year. Hutch,Drabek ,Redmond should be ready to help. I can't see the 2014 Jays giving multiple starts to Ramon Ortiz & Wang

[Olerud363]

The team needs to be focused and prepared from day one in spring training. They need to be taught, and they need to be modivated. If they make mistakes they need to be called out for it. Focus on the fundamentals of the game. This team was not prepared to win. Coaching was one of the biggest reasons they struggled this year. Constant mental mistakes.

 

C'mon. The Jays did not lose because of "motivation". That's worth about .00001 wins or less.

 

Lost 2 or 3 wins from Melky because of steroid withdrawal.

 

Lost 3 wins or so from Johnson because of complete physical breakdown.

 

Lost 3 wins or so from Romero because of complete mental breakdown. Etc, etc, etc.

 

Stoeten summarrized it pretty well in a way, 20 wins gone because of extreme disastrous underperformance. Where I disagreed with him was that disastrous underperformance is pretty common for underperforming teams (obviously). Disastrous underperformance is pretty common for old injury prone teams.

 

There is one question. Not motivation. Not mistakes. Not fundamentals. The question is who thought "all-in with old men, injury risks and former steroid users" was a good idea??

 

The thought process that led to "all-in with old men, injury risks, and former steroid users" is the problem. The people whos thoughts led to these player acquistion strategies are responsible for this mess and any continueing mess into the future.

 

John Gibbons is a good man, a working man, and is not responsible.

[Captain Adama]

The AAA roster should be better next year. Hutch,Drabek ,Redmond should be ready to help. I can't see the 2014 Jays giving multiple starts to Ramon Ortiz & Wang

 

Drabek and Redmond? You're just naming more starters that you shouldn't expect anything from.

[KSaw]

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Today on Blue Jays Central, Gregg Zaun speculated that Gibbons is the wrong manager for this roster. Essentially, he said that Gibby is a victim of a veteran based roster that cannot police themselves. I think this is a "canary in the cold mine" comment.

 

Zaun said that Gibby could manage the Red Sox or Yankees but not the Jays.

 

Zaun does not think that Gibby deserves to be fired but he may be a sacrificial lamb at the end of the season.

 

Thoughts?

 

I doubt AA will fire Gibby because he feels comfortable with him but stranger things have happened.

 

Ok, I'm not 21! I see a lot of Bobby Cox in Gibbons. A guy who can manage a pen and has a decent idea as to when to yank a starter. Also a tough guy who doesn't tolerate drama from players. Toss in the odd creative move like when Gibby used a 6-man infield on opening day late in the game. At the same time, there's the almost crazy over-tinkering with the batting order.

 

Cox learned to become consistent with lineups and figured out the comfort levels of players had much to do with daily expectations. Gibby can and might make that next step. I hope that he does. He's a creative and smart, no nonsense baseball man.

[KSaw]

Funny thing-- Atlanta fired Cox. It was a few years later and after a couple years with Toronto that they wanted him back. Toronto fired Gibby and after a few years as bench coach with KC and a year managing in the Padres organization that Toronto wanted him back. Let's see...

[G-Snarls]

Toronto sports curse. You're surprised? I fully expected that, along with the inevitable hot streak next month to f*** us out of a good pick. Fun fun fun.

 

Not the least bit surprised hence "of course"

 

Also, it's pretty much a given that Bonifacio will absolutely rob a game from us in the upcoming series against the Royals. It's what happens.

 

I still recall Eric Thames making probably the best defensive play of his life (he hasn't that many...) against us right after we traded him to Seattle.

[G-Snarls]

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Ok, I'm not 21! I see a lot of Bobby Cox in Gibbons. A guy who can manage a pen and has a decent idea as to when to yank a starter. Also a tough guy who doesn't tolerate drama from players. Toss in the odd creative move like when Gibby used a 6-man infield on opening day late in the game. At the same time, there's the almost crazy over-tinkering with the batting order.

 

Cox learned to become consistent with lineups and figured out the comfort levels of players had much to do with daily expectations. Gibby can and might make that next step. I hope that he does. He's a creative and smart, no nonsense baseball man.

 

I like your posts a lot. Glad you're contributing again. (zero sarcasm)

[KSaw]

I like your posts a lot. Glad you're contributing again. (zero sarcasm)

 

Thanks and of course I meant 5-man infield + pitcher for 6.

[LunchBox]

DJBluRay has devised a master plan to overhaul the entire coaching staff.

[GD]

DJBluRay has devised a master plan to overhaul the entire coaching staff.

 

Lmao. I have no idea why you're still over there, but that was awesome.

[LunchBox]

Lmao. I have no idea why you're still over there, but that was awesome.

 

I probably haven't posted there in a year and a half or more, but to escape the religious debate of the Tanaka thread I went exploring, hoping to find something of substance. After looking at two threads, the DJBluRay one mentioned above and this trade proposal , it was obvious I'd made a terrible mistake.

[jays4life19]

The one thing that could make this board a lot better is if we somehow could attract knowledgeable posters of fans of opposing teams. Unfortunately, they will probably find the old board and think that not only is Toronto's Mayor is on crack but it's baseball fans are as well.

[sachmo55]

it was obvious I'd made a terrible mistake.

 

[connorp]

I probably haven't posted there in a year and a half or more, but to escape the religious debate of the Tanaka thread I went exploring, hoping to find something of substance. After looking at two threads, the DJBluRay one mentioned above and this trade proposal , it was obvious I'd made a terrible mistake.

 

I would move JB's injury plagued ass to the Sox for XB..as long as Jays also reinvested that money. Doubt Sox would do though. For record, wouldnt move JB for Profar

[Atothe]

The one thing that could make this board a lot better is if we somehow could attract knowledgeable posters of fans of opposing teams. Unfortunately, they will probably find the old board and think that not only is Toronto's Mayor is on crack but it's baseball fans are as well.

 

Hahaha

[GD]

this trade proposal

 

sweet jesus

[John_Havok]

There's nothing on that old board other than dj dumbass stroking his own ego every 5 minutes, it's a cesspool of blissful ignorance.

[SAAviour]

Someone should go post on all other 29 mlb.com boards for teams and let them know the jays board has effectively moved here. This should also be done at the other independent boards for other teams which don't really use the mlb.com boards.

 

During the season it's fun when posters from other teams come talk smack. We might not get that here unless the word is spread.

[Angrioter]

Gibbons’ 2015 option became guaranteed and the manager had a 2016 option added

 

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/option-now-guaranteed-for-jays-gibbons/

[LunchBox]

Someone should go post on all other 29 mlb.com boards for teams and let them know the jays board has effectively moved here. This should also be done at the other independent boards for other teams which don't really use the mlb.com boards.

 

During the season it's fun when posters from other teams come talk smack. We might not get that here unless the word is spread.

 

If he`s willing, it`d probably be effective to have a reputable, dignified poster like Hurl make a redirect thread on the Jays`mlb.com board and bump it every once in a while. Hopefully it wouldn`t upset the resident posters and even if it did, Hurl wouldn`t feel the need to get in a pissing match with them. Anything more aggressive than that would probably cause more problems here than it`s worth.

[Smokey]

Most undeserving extension of all time.

 

This is a guy who didn't even land an interview for a managerial position after his first firing and managed to lead a team that was projected to win 85+ games into the basement of the AL East.

 

Yup we definitely need to lock up this irreplaceable asset before it's too late.

Edited January 8, 2014 by Smokey

[Sammy225]

This is a guy who didn't even land an interview for a managerial position after his first firing and managed to lead a team that was projected to win 85+ games into the basement of the AL East.

 

Yup we definitely need to luck up this irreplaceable asset before it's too late.

 

Since you appear to be an expert on the subject, what did he do that had you troubled last season? He was an excellent manager of the bullpen which IMO is really one of the only things that I care about in a manager. I think he is a good manager even though I believe that I manager will only decide the out come of about 4 games in the course of a 162 game season..... Maybe. Really it is not the managers fault that he was given a rotation that could not perform and I am scared that the same thing is going to be the case next season. Firing the manager 1 season in is basically an easy way out and saying it was his fault we did not perform.

 

So again I ask the expert what did he do in your eyes that you were no pleased with?

[Sammy225]

4 games seems way too high.

 

That's why I said maybe.... I really don't know how many games they would win or loose you but it is not many.

[Smokey]

Since you appear to be an expert on the subject, what did he do that had you troubled last season? He was an excellent manager of the bullpen which IMO is really one of the only things that I care about in a manager. I think he is a good manager even though I believe that I manager will only decide the out come of about 4 games in the course of a 162 game season..... Maybe. Really it is not the managers fault that he was given a rotation that could not perform and I am scared that the same thing is going to be the case next season. Firing the manager 1 season in is basically an easy way out and saying it was his fault we did not perform.

 

So again I ask the expert what did he do in your eyes that you were no pleased with?

 

Which part of my post gives you the impression that I perceive myself to be an expert???

 

The fact is that Gibby is not a highly sought-out asset since he was not even considered in the running for any other managerial openings, ever. So what's the harm of letting this season play out and going from there? Is giving Gibby more confidence really going to change the way he manages this year?

 

Also, lets not forget that this team played some terrible baseball last year - constantly swinging for the fences and not shortening their swings with 2 strikes led by JPA who Gibby originally thought was good enough to catch a knuckballer.

 

I'm not trying to say the whole season was Gibby's fault by any means but he did absolutely nothing to aspire any confidence except for managing a loaded BP.

 

I know this move is ultimately inconsequential but IMO it speaks volumes about this organization's terrible culture which rewards people who are absolutely undeserving.

[Abomination]

The only thing that bothers me is the way spring training was apparently run last year, and I suspect that's going to change this year.

[Angrioter]

A manager doesn't have the weight that people think in a 162-G Maraton-season.

Gibbons isn't the problem

 

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[GD]

This isn't an extension. This is a club option being activated because we didn't fire him before the New Year. An anti-lame duck provision. Nothing like a contract extension

[Smokey]

This isn't an extension. This is a club option being activated because we didn't fire him before the New Year. An anti-lame duck provision. Nothing like a contract extension

 

How exactly does this "provision" benefit the club? Does anyone actually think that without this option being picked-up we might take a chance of losing him??

[GD]

How exactly does this "provision" benefit the club?

 

It doesn't. It was talked about as a service to Gibbons, a part of the deal in his favor, to ensure that he wouldn't be a lame duck. It's not beneficiary to the team.

[Sammy225]

Which part of my post gives you the impression that I perceive myself to be an expert???

 

The fact is that Gibby is not a highly sought-out asset since he was not even considered in the running for any other managerial openings, ever. So what's the harm of letting this season play out and going from there? Is giving Gibby more confidence really going to change the way he manages this year?

 

Also, lets not forget that this team played some terrible baseball last year - constantly swinging for the fences and not shortening their swings with 2 strikes led by JPA who Gibby originally thought was good enough to catch a knuckballer.

 

I'm not trying to say the whole season was Gibby's fault by any means but he did absolutely nothing to aspire any confidence except for managing a loaded BP.

 

I know this move is ultimately inconsequential but IMO it speaks volumes about this organization's terrible culture which rewards people who are absolutely undeserving.

 

So what your saying that if we had went ahead and signed a guy like Manny Acta who was available and we still where last in the east it would ok because this guy had another managerial job. JPA caught exactly one game of RA's I don't think that is a solid reason.