TDA vs JPA

[admin]

Both have provided .1WAR this year.

JPA in 109 games, TDA in 4.

 

SSS, but it's still funny.

[G-Snarls]

0.1 WAR

 

LOL

 

Hey, does that put him top 10 among catchers? No? Bummer.

[KingKat]

He also drew as many walks in his first two games as JPA did in his first two months. Even though JPA is a lock playing time wise and TDA will probably always be a question mark, this is going to hurt. JPA sucks and any hopes that Thole would be a sleeper source of value have been dashed through a combination of sparse playing time and poor performance.

[havok24]

That's really sad. JPA can f*** off already.

[CHRIS]

It's been said many times before, but how do you go "all-in" and have JPA as your catcher? Trading away d'Arnaud if you already have an established McCann-ish type guy would be one thing, but...ugh.

[ace3113]

0.1 WAR

 

LOL

 

Hey, does that put him top 10 among catchers? No? Bummer.

 

Top 50, which his "fans" seem to think is an accomplishment. lol

[havok24]

It's been said many times before, but how do you go "all-in" and have JPA as your catcher? Trading away d'Arnaud if you already have an established McCann-ish type guy would be one thing, but...ugh.

 

Because AA is a dinosaur. As long as JPA gets his fair share of homeruns and RBI's and doesn't clog up the base paths, he is going to get that long-term extension from AA.

[KingKat]

It's been said many times before, but how do you go "all-in" and have JPA as your catcher? Trading away d'Arnaud if you already have an established McCann-ish type guy would be one thing, but...ugh.

 

It was damned if you do, damned if you don't. Neither one was likely to contribute in 2013. This whole go for broke thing was a half-baked, desperate idea.

[Olerud363]

0.1 WAR

 

LOL

 

Hey, does that put him top 10 among catchers? No? Bummer.

 

Even worse - Josh Johnson -1.6 WAR -- Henderson Alvarez +1.2

 

If Alvarez got hot he could end up 4 wins better then Johnson. Escobar is 1 WAR ahead of Reyes.

 

Kelly Johnson is a couple WAR ahead of Cabrerra... both left fielders except Johnson can cover 2nd and 3rd as needed.

[GD]

Even worse - Josh Johnson -1.6 WAR -- Henderson Alvarez +1.2

 

Fangraphs has him at .6, and fangraphs uses FIP in their WAR calculation. BR uses runs allowed. I like FIP more tbh.

[over500]

Top 50, which his "fans" seem to think is an accomplishment. lol

Actually, that's not even good for top 50.

[tercet]

TDA is barely better then JPA

[Jays]

TDA is barely better then JPA

 

Arencibia now has 0.0 WAR in 109 games. d'Arnaud 0.1 WAR in 5 games.

[TheHurl]

TDA is barely better then JPA

 

is this your new crusade? I've always said that TdA would be the best catcher and I still 100% believe it...which sets my prediction for his career WAR at more than 21.8. He's back to a little jumpy behind the plate just like he was when he came back from the last injury but he settled down last time and he'll do it again. Avoiding the fluke injury is the key.

[tercet]

Ive been saying it for 2-3 years hurl..

 

But yes It is my new crusade since I won with hech, and everyone else was wrong.

 

TDA never walked in the minors ever, and struck out alot... he wont be much more then a 300obp hacker imo

[KingKat]

Ive been saying it for 2-3 years hurl..

 

But yes It is my new crusade since I won with hech, and everyone else was wrong.

 

TDA never walked in the minors ever, and struck out alot... he wont be much more then a 300obp hacker imo

 

What was your position on Hech?

[TheHurl]

Ive been saying it for 2-3 years hurl..

 

But yes It is my new crusade since I won with hech, and everyone else was wrong.

 

TDA never walked in the minors ever, and struck out alot... he wont be much more then a 300obp hacker imo

 

TdA in 1016 PA's away from the Jays org

 

K-Rate 16.0%, BB Rate 8.76

 

TdA in 1061 PA's with the Jays Org

 

K-Rate 21.3, BB Rate 6.79 (but we don't have development issues)

 

Of the 56 Catchers who have put up 25 Career fWAR, I'll admit that none have had less than a 7.5% BB rate wiith more than 18% K's. But the following have had 2.5-1 ratio (which is where TdA need to be to have success IMO):

 

IRod 70.7 fWAR

Parrish 43.4

Javy Lopez 31.5

 

I'm a big believer in his bat, I realize that but there is also no player I've scouted on TV closer. I am not sure how the defense will play in the bigs, that is his only question mark IMO.

[The Cats Ass]

What was your position on Hech?

 

 

I think Tercet was a huge fan of him..?

[Nox]

Zips and Steamer both have TDA as a true talent 104 wRC+ guy.

 

JPA at 85ish.

 

So a 20% difference in projected offenive talent already. lol

[Angrioter]

Zips and Steamer both have TDA as a true talent 104 wRC+ guy.

 

JPA at 85ish.

 

So a 20% difference in projected offenive talent already. lol

 

TDA +20% difference in projected offenive

TDA +80% difference in projected defensive

[Convo]

TDA is barely better then JPA

 

Sarcasm? I can't imagine a single player in baseball being 'barely' better than JPA.

[Nox]

Just wondering, do you usually find projection systems to be trust-worthy when it comes to Minor Leaguers?

 

The error bars are definitely bigger. But when talking about a guy with significant AAA PAs, they're worth using.

 

One significantly anecdotal case that I remember, before Trout was called up to the big leagues ZIPs predicted he would lead the league in runs scored last year (obviously not the best measure of individual talent).

Edited August 22, 2013 by Nox

[The Cats Ass]

Ya, but.. but.. JPA hit 2 homeruns in his first game, TDA hasn't hit even 1 yet.

[GNick]

TDA will end up better catcher but not as good as many think. Then injuries could derail him.

[John_Havok]

Sarcasm? I can't imagine a single player in baseball being 'barely' better than JPA.

 

Delmon Young?

[baseballsss]

And Dnard hits his first ML homer. Sigh

[havok24]

110 wRC+ on a 0.083 BABIP. Nice start.

 

lol f*** off AA.