Josh Johnson to the 15 Day DL

[Chappy]

because he's had way more good seasons then bad so the odds favor him regressing back to being a good pitcher

 

Or he could have just f***ed his arm. Regressing is one thing, but regressing from the level of an average joe pitching in the bigs is another. JJ has been worse than my wettest fart this year.

[Chappy]

Pretty much. He'll be a Padre, Giant, or a Pirate for 2014.

 

Only way I could see Johnson coming back is if he has some kind of weird, twisted sense of loyalty and feels like he owes the Jays something.

 

Maybe he has a fetish for team friendly contracts.

[KSaw]

I think that it's become pretty obvious that Johnson's season has been mostly a disaster due to a specific physical problem. That has to be obvious around baseball too. Wouldn't it be logical to assume that if he checks out medically in November that more than one team would take a chance on him and for good money? The starting pitcher market isn't great. The numbers mean nothing if he's healthy! Well, some will think that. AA might think that. $13.8 million might be viewed as a bargain-- if he's healthy. And if he's not, no one will care.

[FireAlexAnthopoulos]

Couldn't it have been miscommunication, change in circumstances, etc.? Doesn't necessarily have to be a lie.

 

Does it matter? If they're having these kinds of miscommunications all the time, they're incompetent. If they're lying, they're incompetent. Either way, Beeston, AA, and Gibbons must go.

[GD]

Maybe he has a fetish for team friendly contracts.

 

Chappy, multi-quoting is a thing, lmao.

[Caper]

I have no clue. Nox probably knows.

 

I bet they don't spend any more on their FO human capital than the rest of baseball, but they probably hire the right people and get 100x more value than any other team (just like on the field).

 

A couple of things. The Rays biggest blessing (which I previously believed was their downfall), is they can never sign their stars back. They have almost no fans, so there is never pressure to sign some of their biggest names. Soooo, they always have to trade their stars away for prospects.... This approach, turns out to be the best approach IMO, because they always get the best years out of the stars anyway... don't have the burden of having to pay a BJ upton a tonne of money and usually at least one of their prospects in these trades pan out... giving them new stars, with lots of control.

 

The new CBA and smarter GM's might hurt them going forward. I can't see GM's willing to pay the huge price much longer. The new draft compensation rules will give teams like the Rays fewer picks.

[KingKat]

There can't be another organization in the league that outright lies to the fans as often as the Jays do.

 

Of all the things to hate about this team, this barely even registers for me. Even if it turns out that the Jays are the least forthright team in the league about this sort of stuff, it hardly seems to matter. At most, it's a sympton of the weird parrallel universe that is the Jays brain trust, not a problem per say.

[KSaw]

Lying to fans? All teams and I do mean all mislead the media in regard to injuries. It's not the fans they are concerned with but the other teams. Let the opposition waste time going over scouting reports on an injured pitcher. Talk trades without showing weakness. Don't tip your hand on potential waiver claims. These things matter a whole lot more than whether a fan knows the status of a player. What's a fan going to do to fix an injury problem? Nothing!

 

It's not the responsibility of any team's management to update fans on injuries so that they can set their fantasy lineups or be in the know to speculate on player movement in an online forum. The less public info the better is how they see it and they should see it that way.

[KSaw]

He is a good candidate to buy low on. Not $14M+, but maybe $5M plus incentives and a couple significant team options at 10M+. Not bad if that is the case, but then were competing against several teams at that point.

 

If JJ's arm is considered to be sound by doctors in the offseason, he won't have trouble getting $9 million guaranteed, with a couple of vested options at around 15. Of course each option would be vested by innings, which he'd have to be healthy enough to pitch.

 

A throw away season that has been impacted greatly by a triceps injury won't scare teams away if he's healthy.

[KingKat]

If JJ's arm is considered to be sound by doctors in the offseason, he won't have trouble getting $9 million guaranteed, with a couple of vested options at around 15. Of course each option would be vested by innings, which he'd have to be healthy enough to pitch.

 

A throw away season that has been impacted greatly by a triceps injury won't scare teams away if he's healthy.

 

If the source of Johnson's struggle can be identified and if there's a reasonable assurance that it has been corrected then you might as well offer the QO. But you need to be damn sure of both of those things. You can't have a repeat of the Melky Cabrera scenario where assumptions are made about a player's current ability that turn out to be way off the mark.

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

If JJ's arm is considered to be sound by doctors in the offseason, he won't have trouble getting $9 million guaranteed, with a couple of vested options at around 15. Of course each option would be vested by innings, which he'd have to be healthy enough to pitch.

 

A throw away season that has been impacted greatly by a triceps injury won't scare teams away if he's healthy.

 

Yes, Johnson won't go cheap, and he'll be a huge gamble for whomever signs him. Jays are better off letting him walk, he'll try to squeeze them for more money then some other teams. I expect some big money teams to take a shot ( eg Dodgers, Phillies, Yankees???, Rangers ) depending on pitching needs and where other free agents end up. I'd think the Jays are far better off trying to get a fairly injury free pitcher given that the #1 problem they have is their pitchers get injured a lot.

 

Johnson hasn't been worth $14M per season since 2010, so he's basically a free agent already.

[KingKat]

Never said it was. I just don't understand why they continue to run him out there.

 

Path of least resistance with maybe a bit of willful optimism thrown in.

[G-Snarls]

Just listened to Shi Davidi discussing the ripple effect through the organization

 

When JJ went to DL:

 

Esmil Rogers is starting again after having been just demoted to the bullpen

 

Thad Weber in Buffalo was scratched in case the Jays needed him. A bullpen game was had instead. They ran out of relievers and Mike McCoy had to pitch the 9th inning

 

Kyle Drabek had to miss his planned start in AA and was moved up to Buffalo sooner than planned

 

Chad Jenkins had to make a start a day early

 

What a disaster Johnson has been this year

Edited August 15, 2013 by G-Snarls