DeRosa is claimed.... Will AA move him?

[Angrioter]

Fat greek Alice

 

“I can’t speak for every team, but I think every club puts almost all of their players through, maybe they put 20 of 25,” Anthopoulos said Sunday. “When you put a guy through it’s the same as someone calling on the player in July. It’s the same thing. …

 

“We won’t put in claims unless we think there’s a fit, especially claiming players with no service time, zero to three years of service, you’re so restricted there’s no need for a club to make a deal in August. They can do it in the off-season. …

 

“I think everyone (in Blue Jays clubhouse) knows we run everybody through. We’ve been doing it for four years now. I’ve never had a player come up to me and ask me about it. The only time I remember it being a distraction is when I was an (assistant general manager) and the report came out about Rios because I think everyone understood with the $67 million left on his contract at the time, there was a scenario that he could be gone and that became a story. Rightfully so. It shouldn’t have leaked, you’re not allowed to divulge information by the rules, but it was the only time it seemed to be a story in the clubhouse and everyone was wondering what was going to happen.”

[KSaw]

I believe that Scott Gracey and Kenny Wilson have to be added to the roster. Add the returning wounded like Hutchison and Perez and Morrow and it will be a numbers game in November.

[John_Havok]

Per MLBTR:

 

THURSDAY: Rosenthal tweeted late last night that the Blue Jays aren't planning to trade DeRosa, whom they hold a $750K option on for the 2014 season.

[o2cui2i]

Of course the Marlins' conversion of Dyson has actually gone fairly well. Gotta love our player development system lol

 

jays have a system to their player development? since when?? why wasn't I told about this change?

 

they draft bad and develop worse than most teams. makes for a pretty s***** org. especially after AA traded away most of the guys who had potential.

[o2cui2i]

Airmiles!!!!!!

 

no more air miles. all they get now is a bus pass.

[flafson]

Why put him on waivers if you don't want to trade?

Or maybe they mean they don't get enough of return to trade him.

[Arkadium]

Sweet Jesus. We're actually going to pick up the option on DeRosa.

 

AA likes to sell low and keep high.

[Terminator]

Sweet Jesus. We're actually going to pick up the option on DeRosa.

 

Well he's hitting a little bit better than league average right now with a wRC+ 107. Picking up that dirt cheap option makes a heckuva lot more sense then signing him after his miserable '12 season did.

 

That said, if the team who claimed him is offering up even the slightest bit of value for him they should obviously make the move.

[Terminator]

ZiPS has him at 83 ROS and Steamer 92. Obviously he's a completely worthless waste of a roster spot hitting like that. The cheapest, and easiest, way to add wins to the roster is to identify the replacement-level contributors and then replace them. A guy who's a butcher in the field, awful on the bases, can't hit RHP, and projects to be below average against LHP is a great place to start.

 

Oh I agree, he's not a good player, not even in the slightest. I was just saying that if we signed him with an option to begin with (when he's coming off a terrible 3 year stretch) it is no surprise to see us leaning toward picking up that option when he's actually produced a decent season with the bat.

[Angrioter]

Oh I agree, he's not a good player, not even in the slightest. I was just saying that if we signed him with an option to begin with (when he's coming off a terrible 3 year stretch) it is no surprise to see us leaning toward picking up that option when he's actually produced a decent season with the bat.

 

Or the new DeRosa version is better than the pre-2013 version. DeRosa improved compared with previous year (before signing with the Jays)

[o2cui2i]

Its not even about selling high. Just give DeRosa to whoever wants him.

 

but who will make the meaningless win one for the gipper speaches next year if they let DeRosa go?

[Angrioter]

Why put him on waivers if you don't want to trade?

Or maybe they mean they don't get enough of return to trade him.

 

AA believes that the Angels can offer Trout for him.

[Arkadium]

Its not even about selling high. Just give DeRosa to whoever wants him.

 

In other words, you'd rather have someone else on the roster next year? Who?

[Arkadium]

Anyone who isn't replacement-level.

 

Ok.

 

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1exzzHaUA1r99f4t.gif

[Laika]

DeRosa was the glue that held this 2013 team together. Can't just cast him off for nothing.

 

If 750k is all it takes to have a plus clubhouse in 2014, then it's a no-brainer. Keep the vet around.

[Caper]

Anyone who isn't replacement-level.

 

Is replacement level average?

[Caper]

Replacement level is replacement level (i.e. AAAA players)

 

So a replacement level player isn't even a mlb player?

[o2cui2i]

I'm sorry but 1 guy can't do that. I'm not saying he isn't a great guy because he is and players love him. But generally people look at the best players to be the leaders and DeRosa is the 25th man.

 

Although Bautista can act like a baby at times on the field. Hes the leader of this team. Hes always trying to help out other players. Hes always talking to someone.

 

With that being said I wouldn't mind having DeRosa on the team. But if someone wants him for a playoff run. At his age you let him go. I'm sure the clubhouse will be fine without him. I have no idea why he would want to play for 750k when hes already made millions in his career. I thought this would be his last year for sure. I wouldn't mind hiring him on the broadcast team.

 

one guy on a team who knows what's up doesn't help when most have their head up their ego driven asses. AA has a lot of *******s on the 25 man roster. there are some good pieces, but there are too many jays who dont understand that baseball is a team sport and one or two trades is not going to fix the problem.

[Angrioter]

No. Replacement-level is 0 WAR, and can pretty much be put up by most AAA players. Average is 2 WAR.

 

http://www.mathsteacher.com.au/year8/ch15_graphs/01_cartesian/Image15810.gif

[Angrioter]

Exactly. A replacement player is a player that can be found in the minor leagues readily, but doesn't contribute any value to the MLB club.. JPA is performing at replacement level.

 

zero contributions in 150 games.

[Terminator]

DeRosa was the glue that held this 2013 team together. Can't just cast him off for nothing.

 

If 750k is all it takes to have a plus clubhouse in 2014, then it's a no-brainer. Keep the vet around.

 

IF that's the case, then I'd agree. Having a replacement level 25th man won't kill the team, especially if his bat is decent enough for some pinch hitting duties (which it has been this year). If he's giving us veteran presents on top of that, well maybe he is worth keeping around.

 

That said, there is no way to quantify what effect he has on the clubhouse. Gibbons, AA, etc. are in better positions to make the call but even then I don't think they can really put a value on what those veteran presents mean to the team. Also, and this is the cruz of the problem IMO, it looks like another replacement level infielder is going to be on the team next year in Maicer Izturis who also plays the same positions in 2B and 3B. How many replacement level 2B/3B types do we really need? I say we let him go to the claiming team and use his spot on a more talented player, even if it means we won't be receiving as many veteran presents next year.

[Caper]

My favorite troll move on the old board was when some jay..... any jay hit a game winning hit and I would go on the GDT and start saying that the player just +1 war for himself..... Man that used to piss people off.

[Caper]

While Nick was being facetious, I agree with your response. I think it always makes sense to fill the roster with the most talented players you can find rather than f*** around with inferior players with "intangibles". The value of even a single win to a contending team if far too high to be punted because some old dude is a good ass-slapper.

 

But Derossa has been pretty good this year. His D has been shaky at times. But he's been fine for what he was supposed to be. OPSing .769 isn't that bad.

[Laika]

Yeah, I wasn't being serious. DeRosa is literally worth less than zero dollars. If somebody wants him and AA doesn't let them have him, then he's made yet another (small) mistake, and it would be even further evidence of a flawed FO and fundamentally flawed process (as if we needed more evidence).

[Caper]

He hasn't been good though. -0.1 WAR is not good. Good teams improve on replacement-level players, they don't keep them around because "they haven't been that bad".

 

This is where I have to disagree with the stat. His D would drag him down.... I disagree that he's been that bad.

[GD]

Recently AJ Pierzynski was brought up as a potential 2014 stopgap at catcher, and some expressed displeasure in the idea given Pierzynski's reputation as an *******.

 

I don't care about him being an *******, I care about his .315 wOBA. If McCann, Navarro, Hanigan, Molina, and other trade options are exhausted, A.J. would be nice, but he shouldn't be our #1 option, I don't think. He's an upgrade, but we can do better imo.

[Laika]

I feel like the front office doesn't understand the point of clubhouse chemistry and thus have been looking for it in the wrong places. It's not about finding players who like each other, it's about finding players who will bring out the best in each other.

 

It's great to have guys like EE, Rasmus, Reyes, Buehrle, etc. who seem to be genuinely nice people and productive players, but you also need a few alpha male *******s around to push everyone around. Some of your veterans needs to get in the younger players' faces when they mess up on the field or in the media. Bautista is pretty good in that regard and has the hunger for winning that you want, but he's really the only one.

 

Agreed. Great point.

 

A lot of people complain about Bautista being whiny, and some of that leaks into intellectually fraudulent opinions about him being some kind of bad clubhouse presence. But from what we can see, he seems to me like exactly the type of person that you'd want as a leadership presence on a sports team.

 

I wouldn't go so far as to say that Bautista actually had anything to do with Encarnacion's emergence, but if you believe in the power of clubhouse leadership/chemistry, and if you like to build neat little stories out of unprovable narrative linkages, then it's not that hard to connect the dots there. Same nationality, good friends, Bautista is hyper-competitive and pushy, Encarnacion has always been talented but maybe was kind of lackadaisical or lazy.... etc.etc., Bautista as part of the influence that leads to Special Ed finally getting the most out of his skills.

 

Roy Halladay might be another example. By all accounts, he didn't exactly make the clubhouse more comfortable or more friendly, and he didn't exactly keep things "loose" throughout the year.... but he was probably a very good influence influence on almost every pitcher that came through the org. He's the type of guy that would lead by example, and the type of guy that you really wouldn't want to let down if he was one of your teammates.

[Boxcar]

Roy Halladay might be another example. By all accounts, he didn't exactly make the clubhouse more comfortable or more friendly, and he didn't exactly keep things "loose" throughout the year.... but he was probably a very good influence influence on almost every pitcher that came through the org. He's the type of guy that would lead by example, and the type of guy that you really wouldn't want to let down if he was one of your teammates.

 

He hurt wittle Ricky's feelings, though.

[Terminator]

The team claiming DeRosa was under .500? Weird.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/08/blue-jays-mark-derosa-claimed-off-waivers.html

Edited August 9, 2013 by Terminator

[over500]

The team claiming DeRosa was under .500? Weird.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/08/blue-jays-mark-derosa-claimed-off-waivers.html

 

The other Jays from another universe?