I'll say it: WALKS ARE OVERRATED

[JSFIP]

walks mean you took a lot of pitches in your at bat showing good plate discipline, and you got the pitchers pitch count up to get to the pen faster.

 

Yeah, teams are thrilled to see the end of dickey, johnson, and buehrle, so that they can see the soft tossing cecil, delabar, and janssen.

Taking pitches only works if the whole team buys into it, so that you can see weak middle relievers, as opposed to the setup man and the closer.

 

Having one or two guys taking pitches doesn't really help out that much. If you have an entire team constructed around the philosophy of taking pitches and you work over their entire bullpen in the first game of a four game series, it pays dividends.

 

exactly!!!!!

[JSFIP]

Making your first post this, makes it pretty clear you are trolling. Delete your account and start again

 

Sorry bro, it's a position I feel strongly about. I guess that's my problem, at least according to everyone on here

[JSFIP]

There's nothing wrong with having an opinion, but the way you presented it made you look like a dumbass.

 

To YOU it does. Many people agreed with me. So that's YOUR opinion, and maybe other people will think that YOU are the "dumbass."

[FireAlexAnthopoulos]

Wow, I didn't know having a different position as the people on this board made me a "troll." Sorry for the new opinion guys!!!!!

Having a different opinion isn't trolling. Spewing out purposefully ignorant takes in an attempt to get a cheap reaction, like you're doing in this thread, is trolling.

[dineke]

Walking is healthy and doesn't harm the environment so I don't see how it's overrated.

[JSFIP]

No, I'm not a dumbass for having an opinion. I just said that. And neither are you.

 

But you can't present yourself like a total arrogant douche and expect not to be called a troll.

 

What if that's what you are doing right now? Imagine that!

[JSFIP]

Walking is healthy and doesn't harm the environment so I don't see how it's overrated.

 

Yes.

[SAAviour]

JP got itchy fingers after not being allowed to post on twitter, so signed up as JSFIP for some attention????

[JSFIP]

JP got itchy fingers after not being allowed to post on twitter, so signed up as JSFIP for some attention????

 

More JPA bashing.... Can't say I'm surprised.

[FireAlexAnthopoulos]

More JPA bashing.... Can't say I'm surprised.

He brings it on himself with his s***** play and even shittier attitude.

[JSFIP]

I was trying to be nice to you by saying you're not a dumbass but.... Ok

 

Not sure how being called "a total arrogant douche" is nice but thanks for the consideration

[JSFIP]

He brings it on himself with his s***** play and even shittier attitude.

 

I'm not surprised to see this much negativity come from someone named "FireAlexAnthopolos"

[dineke]

http://ionetheurbandaily.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/michael-jackson-moonwalk.gif

[SAAviour]

More JPA bashing.... Can't say I'm surprised.

 

Sadly, I was one of the last people who held out hope for JP I'm embarrassed to say. I only gave up on the guy about 2 months. I've rarely if ever bashed him.

[Caper]

The thing about walks..... is that so long they were wayyyy underrated, that when it was discovered how important they were....... they became overrated. More in the sense that I think a lot of players hurt themselves and their team in pursuit of walks.... taking to many pitches from a strike thrower, means you K much more.

[TheHurl]

I'm going to allow this useless thread to stay until Olerud responds.

[CHRIS]

I'm going to allow this useless thread to stay until Olerud responds.

 

I'm sure he's hammering away on a 3000 word post as we speak.

[TheHurl]

http://www.sillywalksgenerator.com/

[TheHurl]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/c3c9c10c4f69774280f95adb42a0547b/tumblr_mggputSMyu1qc2bleo3_250.gif

[Olerud363]

Go ahead, disagree with me. I'm sure all of you sabermetrics idiots will instantly. It's the truth, that's all. SOOOOOOOO overrated by everyone on this board.

 

OK. I suppose people were waiting for this.

 

1. A .350 on base percentage is pretty good. I've always said the best way to get a .350 on base percentage is to hit .350 and not walk at all.. but that's not going happen.

 

2. Maybe... just maybe... telling guys to walk is overrated. You tell J.P. to take pitches but he can't recognize pitches, so he just takes strikes.

 

But that's not your argument. Your just seem to be saying flat out that walks are over-rated.

 

Today as we speak the American League leader in team walks are Oakland, Boston, Cleveland and Detroit. 3 playoff teams and a contender.

 

If you go back in time and look at teams that walk a lot, it will be correlated with winning... at least as much as anything else,. especially in the wild card era.

 

NYY, Tampa Bay, Boston, Oakland (atleast in their playoff years) .... overrated teams??

[Nox]

I don't think it's a useless topic

 

It is a useless topic.

 

Saying walks and OBP are less important than batting average is a empirically falsifiable statement. It has been. Years ago.

 

There is literally no intelligent conversation left here.

 

Olerud has now posted. Can this please be locked.

[TheHurl]

While I do appreciate the intellect here on this board as opposed to my other team the oilers message board.. the ignorance from the self righteous poster does become annoying after a while.... unfortunately the OP presented the topic obnoxiously... it might be a useless thread in that regard I don't think it's a useless topic

 

I'll admit some people are a little too quick to jump down a differing view and I've probably done it as well. But we got very used to this very stuff on the other board, this poster isn't looking to debate, he isn't looking to educate, he's looking to incite a reaction, which is why I reply with jokes rather than baseball talk

[Olerud363]

I'm going to allow this useless thread to stay until Olerud responds.

 

Oakland (in their good years) and Tampa Bay walk a lot... I think I beat that subject to death (atleast on the Tampa Bay end) the other day.

 

I'm always willing to listen on the issue of walks. If someone wants to argue that they have a player acquisition or coaching strategy to build a team that will hit .280 and not walk all that much... well that would be fine if it really worked...

[Nox]

That's not the argument.. the argument is if a walk is of similar importance to a hit

 

Good god. Look up linear weights.

 

A single is more valuable than a walk. Nobody is debating that. However, it's a complete failure in logic to interpret that as meaning walks are not "important".

[Caper]

Good god. Look up linear weights.

 

A single is more valuable than a walk. Nobody is debating that. However, it's a complete failure in logic to interpret that as meaning walks are not "important".

 

Overrated... not- not important.

[Olerud363]

That's not the argument.. the argument is if a walk is of similar importance to a hit

 

Nobody would argue that. If two players have the same OPS, same power, same defensive value, same clutch factor, same leadership skills, same salary... the player that walks less will be more valuable... singles are better then walks.

 

Because of his power J.P. Arencibia is probably one of the best players in the world with a .250 on base percentage... And actually if you compared him to another guy with the same oba... and the same power, but who hit .180 with more walks... J.P. would be better then that guy.

[Olerud363]

Overrated... not- not important.

 

If a thing is overrated wouldn't you see teams with that characteristic being over-rated?? Like find teams that walk 650 times a year and show that they rarely make the playoffs.

[Caper]

The nice thing about linear weights and resulting metrics like wOBA and wRC+ is that they tell us exactly how valuable walks are, eliminating opportunities for people like you to embarrass themselves.

 

Really? Just exactly how valuable walks are? Spot on exact?

[Jimcanuck]

to be sure, Bautista would be more valuable to the team if he would be more aggressive at the plate

 

i'd rather see him hitting .265 and OBP'ing .330 than .250 and .360

 

more XBH and less clogging up the basepaths, lol

[torontofan]

Dan Uggla says "f*** you!"