Miami's rebuild so far a success?

[TheHurl]

Houston had little to start with though. I love what they are doing...building depth with maybe lower upside. Find out who on the 40 man can stick and give you some value. Recycle and try with the next set of guys you have to add to the 40 man. The real talent is still in the minors...if they add a few more pieces and it's obvious they are winning the Rodon sweepstakes (anyone following the Team USA games have heard some of the most insane reviews, including some saying that Rodon's slider will be the best ever and Law saying it's already as good as Darvish's. The high end guys will have to come through the draft.

[fatcowxlive]

Houston had little to start with though. I love what they are doing...building depth with maybe lower upside. Find out who on the 40 man can stick and give you some value. Recycle and try with the next set of guys you have to add to the 40 man. The real talent is still in the minors...if they add a few more pieces and it's obvious they are winning the Rodon sweepstakes (anyone following the Team USA games have heard some of the most insane reviews, including some saying that Rodon's slider will be the best ever and Law saying it's already as good as Darvish's. The high end guys will have to come through the draft.

 

That is true. They are rebuilding well, and I give them credit for starting with nothing (although they did trade Bourn, Pence, Oswalt and Wandy), but I think the Marlins are still more attractive lol

 

Lunhow's doing great though

[FireAlexAnthopoulos]

With the way both Orgs are going, I'd rather be a Marlins fan with hope that Loria is pressured to sell the team than be a Jays fan who's management is just throwing prospects at s*** people to plug holes.

 

As someone who followed the Expos, trust me: Loria is the one owner in baseball that I would gladly take Rogers over. Scumbag in every sense of the word.

[Angrioter]

Castro > Brantly

Carter/Walrus < Morrison

Altuve > Dietrich

Correa > Hech

Dominguez =? Moran

Martinez/Maxwell/Barnes << Stanton/Yelich/Marisnick/Ozuna

 

Cosart/Appel/Lyles Fernandez/Alvarez/Eovaldi

 

Bullpen=Bullpen

 

Overall I like Miami a little better.

 

Singleton, McCullers, Springer, Foltynewicz, Asher "Jon Rauch" Woj???

[Angrioter]

Moran >>>>>> Dominguez

 

Dominguez is just a guy, Moran is a top prospect.

 

holy crap.

 

Dominguez (Casey McGehee) Vs Colin Moran (Kyle Seager '13 version)

[SpeedyGose]

Colorado or Boston should probably trade for Stanton. He's probably a true talent 40+ HR guy if he played in either place.

 

Lol, I just pictured a Stanton bomb over the monster. Orgasm.

[bzapple]

What about Hech suggests that he "should be a decent hitter"?

[bzapple]

He has decent mechanics, but the plate discipline is lacking. He could be league average SS offensively if he puts it all together.

 

Possible, but I don't think anyone should see that as a likely outcome.

[Olerud363]

So I have checked out the Marlins roster, and my oh my, they actually have a really nice core in only one year of rebuilding.... I think it's so far so good, what do you guys think?

 

C - Rob Brantly, 24 yrs (Scouting Report: Should be good defender, contact hitter, good eye, Acquired as part of a package for Anibal Sanchez & Omar Infante)

1B - Logan Morrison, 25 yrs

2B - Derek Dietrich, 24 yrs (Power hitting 2B, lefty Dan Uggla? Plus power, meh glove. Acquired in 1 for 1 swap of Yunel Escobar with the Rays)

3B - Colin Moran, 20 yrs (Just drafted, great hit tool, gap power, decent defender)

SS - Adeiny Hechavarria, 24 yrs (Great defender, range glove and arm. Should be a decent hitter, Yunel with the bat ceiling? Acquired from Jays in Blockbuster)

LF - Christian Yelich, 21 yrs (Drafted by Marlins, great bat tool, can hit over .300, power potential is growing and is a threat with the bat)

CF - Jake Marisnick, 22 yrs (Handsome and a great athelete, perfect CF defensivly, offence still needs work, but potential to be plus contact & power, acquired from Jays)

RF/CF - Marcell Ozuna, 23 yrs (Amateur FA signing in 2008, typical RF; great arm + great power + meh hit tool, .260 ish hitter, decent speed)

RF - Giancarlo Stanton, 23 yrs

 

SP - Jose Fernandez, 20 yrs (Goes from A+ to MLB All-Star the following year, wow)

SP - Nathan Eovaldi, 23 yrs (Acquired as main piece from Hanley Ramirez trade)

SP - Henderson Alvarez, 23 yrs (Acquired from Jays)

SP - Justin Turner, 22 yrs (Acquired from Tigers with Brantly for Infante & Sanchez)

SP - Andrew Heaney, 22 yrs (Drafted by Marlins, still in A ball, could be solid #3, Fastball + Changeup + Curveball with good control and velo, working on a cutter)

SP - Justin Nicolino, 22 yrs (Started AA, smart pitcher, can work all corners with plus command & movement, great fastball, changeup already an out pitch, still working on curve. Acquired from Blue Jays)

 

I think those are the real core players. Obviously there are other great young talent, especially in the BP (Steve Cishek, Dan Jennings, Ryan Webb; all young and should be good), but as the main core going forward, they have a great future ahead of them.

 

A lot of youth. Will be interesting to follow. Plus a great draft position this year.

[Orgfiller]

Colorado or Boston should probably trade for Stanton. He's probably a true talent 40+ HR guy if he played in either place.

 

I have a video of the top 50 longest HR's of the 2012 season, Stanton has 5 including # 1, which was a 494 ft bomb to CF, Stanton at Coors is unfair, I think of those 5, 3 were hit there. However Stanton at Fenway will be too easy, with the Green Monster he doesn't even have to hit the ball that hard.

[Orgfiller]

Great stuff and fastball command will play at any level.

 

Miami's doing as good at job (better?) rebuilding than Houston or the Cubs, who get all the fanfare from the internet community. People just hate Loria so they don't want to admit it. By 2015 or 2016 Miami will be contending for the NL pennant.

 

Is it really rebuilding if they do it all the time though? If the current core of players pans out they might have one or two contending seasons, and by the time players near their FA years they'll go ahead and do a firesale as usual. It's really not a terrible way to run the team, except it attracts no fanbase whatsoever, and in fact just tears it apart every time they do it.

[Nox]

I have a video of the top 50 longest HR's of the 2012 season, Stanton has 5 including # 1, which was a 494 ft bomb to CF, Stanton at Coors is unfair, I think of those 5, 3 were hit there. However Stanton at Fenway will be too easy, with the Green Monster he doesn't even have to hit the ball that hard.

 

Is said video posted somewhere?

[Orgfiller]

Is said video posted somewhere?

 

I have no idea, my brother got it from a friend at his workplace, I think it's an mlb.com video, so maybe if you search along the lines of "top 50 HR" or something it might appear, can't really help you out other than that.

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

I'm not impressed with the Marlins, a lot of young talent in the majors and almost none of it landed on their team. Five years from now I'd be surprised if they were a .500 team on any season. With the Braves good almost every year, the Nationals with some young talent, the Phillies maybe spending big, and the Mets maybe rebuilding smarter, how good can the Marlins really do ?

 

Wouldn't want to be a Marlins fan. Who has better young talent, the Nationals, Mets, or Marlins ?

[rosalie52]

Two words: Jeffrey Loria. We knew him too well in Montreal. This POS will always find a way to screw up the Marlins.

[rosalie52]

The Blue Jays are fine as long as Jeffrey Loria stays away from Toronto.

[digiblader]

Yeah--he'll tell Miami taxpayers to pay for reno's to Marlins Park or he'll move the team.. even though the stadium's only 2 years old. And he'll say they can't afford anybody making more than $5M(guessing)

[DwightDM]

14Ks for Fernadez tonight. Unreal.

[Arkadium]

Marlins going to be playing good baseball next year - maybe not quite a play-off calibre team yet but close.

[kgm1]

Kidding aside, you could make a very strong case that Jose Fernandez is one of the 10 best starters in baseball going forward. He is scary good.

 

Yea and I f***ed up and thought he would fall a couple more spots to my second draft pick when he was # 1 on my board .Wound up having to take Jackie Bradley

[theblujay]

Marlins going to be playing good baseball next year - maybe not quite a play-off calibre team yet but close.

 

Better than us

[Arkadium]

Better than us

 

Probably....

[8D]

14Ks for Fernadez tonight. Unreal.

 

FIP: -0.08

xFIP: 0.44

 

For tonight's game. first time i've seen a negative FIP lol

[8D]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxboy85pTb1qf4sbho1_400.gif

 

that kid is sick!

[fatcowxlive]

His previous start was -0.20 FIP and 0.14 xFIP.

 

What does a negative FIP mean?? The other team owes him runs?? LOL

[DuckDuckGose]

What does a negative FIP mean?? The other team owes him runs?? LOL

 

It means this;

 

((13*HR)+(3*(BB+HBP))-(2*K))

 

Is negative.

 

ie) 13*HR + 3*(BB+HBP) < 2*K

[DuckDuckGose]

No it means (13*HR + 3*(BB+HBP) - 2*K) / IP + 3.2 is negative.

 

Curious how the denominator, IP + 3.2, could be negative. It has to be a positive number. Therefore to have a negative FIP the numerator would have to be negative. or (13*HR + 3*(BB+HBP) - 2*K) would have to be negative.

[DuckDuckGose]

3.2 is not part of the denominator. It is added after.

 

Still IP has to be positive. You can't throw a negative amount of innings...

[DuckDuckGose]

3.2 isn't part of the denominator.

 

Still to have a negative FIP you have to have a a negative numerator. You can't have x/IP + 3.2 be negative unless the numerator is negative.

[DuckDuckGose]

We all know this. The fraction can be negative but the 3.2 corrects it. To have negative FIP the fraction has to be < -3.2.

 

Ah ok I get what you are correcting now. Yes, that's very true. Where did you get the 2013 scaling constant value from? Or did you just use the historical average?