Time to fire Gibbons!

[KSaw]

Kawasaki for 1b coach and all is solved. They only win with him in uniform anyway.

[KSaw]

I was kidding but I think I actually like that idea.

[Ehh]

"All year" includes the last month, you know. Hence the contradiction.

 

Left field is the least important defensive position in baseball. Manny Ramirez was a successful left fielder for years, despite being a circus out there.

 

Incidentally, Melky's line against RHP .288 /.336/.376/.712 (by no means good enough for a left fielder, and I sincerely hope we have a better option for next year) significantly better than Rajai's .250/.295/.288/.583 line. OPS difference of .129.

 

There is no argument that can possibly be made for Davis being the left fielder over Melky with a right handed pitcher on the mound. Not a one. (sure, late inning defensive replacement, but that's it.)

 

I wish everyone used stats to back up their opinion on this forum like you.

[TheHurl]

'06 and '08 were playoff teams in any other division.

 

you know the 2008 team only started to play once they got rid of Gibbons and replaced him with Cito right? 2006 the Jays were .500 against the rest of the league and 12 games over .500 against the AL east so I don't agree with that statement either. I certainly don't mind Gibbons as a manager but mostly I don't think a manager means s***.

[Olerud363]

It is time to fire Gibbons. He obviously can not manage a team to a winning record. He should never have been hired in the first place. We fired him before and its time to fire him again. Someone needs to be held accountable for this crap on the field and he is a part of the problem.

 

Abolutely not. Firing Gibbons would set this organization back 100 years. It would set society and the rights of the common man back centuries.

 

The Beast must go. Paul Beeston is the one who must pay for this monstrosity. He has been hanging around for 20 years. Paul Beeston is a useless parasite, a thief, a criminal and evil man.

 

Pat Gillick built a great organization and Paul Beeston was lucky enough to come along for the ride. When Gillick and Gaston had fundamental differences Beeston sided with Gaston. Since Beeston and Gaston have done nothing. Gillick built Baltimore, Seattle and Philly into winners.

 

Paul Beeston must go. Firing Gibbons would just be a Richard Nixon like trick... so Beeston doesn't have to pay.

 

Beeston - an extremely powerful firing, legacy destroyed.

AA - put in purgatory until new pres decides his fate

Gibbons - given another chance under the new regime.

[Olerud363]

Not really, but he'll be relieved of his job in the offseason.

 

Your probably right. The mass of flab and useless neurons that is the Beest only has one skill.. survival despite accomplishing nothing. Making Gibbons pay would be classic Beest. Wouldn't be surprised if he rehires Gaston.

[Olerud363]

Jamie Campbell for manager.

 

Better then Cito Gaston or whoever else the Beest would choose.

[Olerud363]

Newsflash: IT'S NOT WORKING. They're now 10 games under .500, 14.5 games back of the Sox, and in last place with a $118 million roster. Now is not the time for "laid back."

 

Gibbons' "laid back" philosophy only serves to enable our loser players to ignore him during games and continue do stupid s*** like the "lo viste" sign while they're getting their asses kicked. It's a disgrace. This team needed a boot up the ass, apparently.

 

This is idiotic. If you really care about the team start a petition to fire Beeston. Fire Gibbons, fire AA, it won't make a difference. The same mind that hired AA (and gave him orders) will choose even worse next time.

[FireAlexAnthopoulos]

All three need to go, and so do the players. I've said it plenty of times. Criticizing Gibbons doesn't mean I'm ignoring the roles that Beeston, Fat Alice, and the players have had in this team being an embarrassment.

[Deadpool]

All three need to go, and so do the players. I've said it plenty of times. Criticizing Gibbons doesn't mean I'm ignoring the roles that Beeston, Fat Alice, and the players have had in this team being an embarrassment.

 

You can give it up with the "Fat Alice" thing, it's not going to catch on.

[Olerud363]

you know the 2008 team only started to play once they got rid of Gibbons and replaced him with Cito right? 2006 the Jays were .500 against the rest of the league and 12 games over .500 against the AL east so I don't agree with that statement either. I certainly don't mind Gibbons as a manager but mostly I don't think a manager means s***.

 

I agree with this. Realistically no one I want to get fired will get fired in the next 2 years... some poor underling like Gibbons probably will. If things are really bad long term then there bad because of deep organizational problems and can only be fixed by a total rewrite... Beeston on down.

 

But short term realistically no high level heads will be cut off, Beeston will retire in a couple of years, and either AA is president... or he's not.

 

The pessimist in me see's a scenario where AA becomes president, they get 75 to 85 wins a year for the next 10 years and looking back from the old folks home there will always be this feeling that 1995 to 2025 was just 30 years of the same s***... Gillick was really the man, Gillick leaves, Beeston can't do it alone, Beeston trains AA, AA leads to no where (with the brief Paul Godfrey years sort of forgotten, but Godfrey came from the same circles as Beeston anyway).

[Smokey]

The Beast must go. Paul Beeston is the one who must pay for this monstrosity. He has been hanging around for 20 years. Paul Beeston is a useless parasite, a thief, a criminal and evil man.

 

Why don't you tell us how you really feel lol.

[FireAlexAnthopoulos]

You can give it up with the "Fat Alice" thing, it's not going to catch on.

 

Alice can give it up with the "signing washed-up scrub vets, gutting our farm system, and making panic trades for overrated players" thing, it's not going to catch on.

[Frag]

It is time to fire Gibbons. He obviously can not manage a team to a winning record. He should never have been hired in the first place. We fired him before and its time to fire him again. Someone needs to be held accountable for this crap on the field and he is a part of the problem.

 

[Angrioter]

Alice can give it up with the "signing washed-up scrub vets, gutting our farm system, and making panic trades for overrated players" thing, it's not going to catch on.

 

Anti-Moneyball.

 

Designated

For

Anal

[Deadpool]

Alice can give it up with the "signing washed-up scrub vets, gutting our farm system, and making panic trades for overrated players" thing, it's not going to catch on.

 

I fail to see what calling him "Alice" is supposed to even mean... Is this some sort of "ha ha, he's like a girl" like when kids in Kindergarten thought it was hilarious that my name (Brandon) sounded sort of like a girl's name (Brenda)? Because that's basically the level at which you are operating, the level of kindergarten humour.

[Frag]

Anti-Moneyball.

 

Designated

For

Anal

 

Hey, HRs and RBIs are the s***. Didn't you read moneyball, bro?

[Angrioter]

Hey, HRs and RBIs are the s***. Didn't you read moneyball, bro?

 

[TheEndIsNigh]

Anyone who blames Gibbons for this doesn't know baseball. He will prob get canned in the offseason however.

[TheEndIsNigh]

Alice can give it up with the "signing washed-up scrub vets, gutting our farm system, and making panic trades for overrated players" thing, it's not going to catch on.

 

Calling him Alice was never funny, even less so now...............................

[JFD]

At what point should Gibbons be fired? He's clearly good for nothing.

[burlingtonbandit]

At what point should Gibbons be fired? He's clearly good for nothing.

 

I'm just curious who would you hire to replace him and would think do a good job?

[pickoff22]

At what point should Gibbons be fired? He's clearly good for nothing.

 

Totally agree. I mean, we're only in first place and way exceeding expectations even though FO did absolutely nothing in the offseason and he's been forced to use fringe players in every lineup this year. What a bum.

[NLJays]

Every manager who ever puts up a losing month should be fired, period.

[Angrioter]

At what point should Gibbons be fired? He's clearly good for nothing.

 

Fired for what?

 

-'cause Lawrie's injury?

-'cause Francisco is s***?

-'cause Glenn, Tolleson, Thole, Goins are below replacement level players?

-'cause Dickey is a #5 instead ace?

-'cause Delabar, Cecil, Santos are acting like true relievers (good-bad, bad-good)?

[flafson]

Totally agree. I mean, we're only in first place and way exceeding expectations even though FO did absolutely nothing in the offseason and he's been forced to use fringe players in every lineup this year. What a bum.

 

Do you prefer we overpay Ubaldo in the offseason? The best move was doing nothing.

And leave Gibby alone, he's been fine overall.

[KingKat]

Do you prefer we overpay Ubaldo in the offseason? The best move was doing nothing.

And leave Gibby alone, he's been fine overall.

 

Best move would have been Kazmir but yes you're right that as plan b, Ubaldo would have been a bust.

[CHRIS]

Gibbons is the least of our problems. The lack of depth is the real killer here.

[pickoff22]

Do you prefer we overpay Ubaldo in the offseason? The best move was doing nothing.

And leave Gibby alone, he's been fine overall.

 

Did you not sense my sarcasm??? Thought it was dripping off the page.........

[Angrioter]

Gibbons is the least of our problems. The lack of depth is the real killer here.

 

Francisco, Tolleson, Glenn, Pillar (Awful MLB level), Gose, Diaz, is f***ing awful.

 

Guys like: Denorfia, Venable, Rutledge, JD Martinez lol, Valbuena, Aviles could make this team a better team.