Time to fire Gibbons!

[Deadpool]

What about our stacked team this year. Oh yeah thats right he f***ing sucks. Hell Cito at age 90 is better than Gibbons at anytime.

 

Cito was the worst f***ing manager I've ever seen. I would take Gibbons after a total frontal lobotomy over Cito.

[Pete_7]

Yeah, let's all not blame Gibbons for his role in failing to motivate the team and cut down on the stupid mistakes, and enabling the cancerous environment of the clubhouse. Awesome.

 

If a manager mattered as little as some of you claim, no team would ever waste the money hiring one, and the players could just manage themselves.

 

Pete Rose did it

[jaysblue]

If AA was on top of things he'd have fired him in May. This is the common theme though, AA doesn't deal with his mistakes very well ( eg Gibbons, Bonofocio, Johnson ). So the way this plays out is AA gets fired end of season. His replacement will drop Gibbons and Johnson immediately. And given that the new GM has a fresh start to change the team, I think Arencebia will be released as well. AA is pretty much forcing managements hand by refusing to address trouble spots as they occur.

 

The only way this doesn't play out is if AA makes decisive moves NOW. His job is on the line this month.

 

I don't think Josh Johnson was a mistake - this was a guy who won an ERA title and should have been a solid No. 2 starter. I don't know what has happened to him this season, it's baffling. Most on here thought he'd have a big year especially with this being a contract year.

 

I don't think JPA would be released for nothing - more likely traded than anything since I'm sure there's a dumb GM out there that loves those HR's!

[FireAlexAnthopoulos]

I don't think Gibbons needs to motivate anyone. He has always been a laid back manager

 

Newsflash: IT'S NOT WORKING. They're now 10 games under .500, 14.5 games back of the Sox, and in last place with a $118 million roster. Now is not the time for "laid back."

 

Gibbons' "laid back" philosophy only serves to enable our loser players to ignore him during games and continue do stupid s*** like the "lo viste" sign while they're getting their asses kicked. It's a disgrace. This team needed a boot up the ass, apparently.

[jaysblue]

Yeah, let's all not blame Gibbons for his role in failing to motivate the team and cut down on the stupid mistakes, and enabling the cancerous environment of the clubhouse. Awesome.

 

If a manager mattered as little as some of you claim, no team would ever waste the money hiring one, and the players could just manage themselves.

 

I don't think Gibbons failing to motivate the team is the reason why the Jays are in last place. There's more to it and that starts with the players.

[Slot Machine]

Remember the game in Cleveland earlier this year when legendary manager Terry Francona left a clearly gassed Masterson out to issue 2 consecutive walks and then a 2-run single on his 120th pitch of the game in the 7th inning, losing the game?

 

Haha. That really pissed me off, I don't know why since it was beneficial for the Jays. It was like an affront to the game of baseball or something that a manager could be that stupid.

[jaysblue]

Newsflash: IT'S NOT WORKING. They're now 10 games under .500, 14.5 games back of the Sox, and in last place with a $118 million roster. Now is not the time for "laid back."

 

They maybe should have had a players meeting earlier perhaps, though at the end of the day not sure it would have made a huge difference. We aren't in that clubhouse, so we can't comment on the type of chemistry and whether or not it has a huge impact on the teams success. When it comes down to it, the responsibility is on the players since most have under performed.

[FireAlexAnthopoulos]

I don't think Gibbons failing to motivate the team is the reason why the Jays are in last place.

 

It's not the only reason. Beeston, Fat Alice, and the players are also to blame. But a team can't fail this hard from the top down without the manager deserving any blame at all.

 

Not to mention, literally no other team in the league was even considering Gibbons (for a good reason). Do you really think any outside GM we could hire would actually keep that loser?

[Dr Negative]

Cito was the worst f***ing manager I've ever seen. I would take Gibbons after a total frontal lobotomy over Cito.

 

The Cito Gaston 'OBP is overrated' element to which I'd bet anything Beeston subscribes to is still the most fundamental problem with this team.

[Caper]

f*** people are stupid. Our starting pitching sucks..... absolutely sucks. No manager could win with that SP.

[Deadpool]

It's not the only reason. Beeston, Fat Alice, and the players are also to blame. But a team can't fail this hard from the top down without the manager deserving any blame at all.

 

Not to mention, literally no other team in the league was even considering Gibbons (for a good reason). Do you really think any outside GM we could hire would actually keep that loser?

 

For serious? He was handed a collection of starting pitchers who have been terrible (exactly zero of that can be put on Gibbons).

 

He's managed the bullpen quite well for the most part (I think he's a bit quick with the hook for my taste, but it's not that terrible). He's realized that Bonerface is bad and is barely playing him at all, he's batting JPA and his massive ribeyes down at the bottom of the order, he's barely calling for sac bunts (yay). He's been a very competent on field manager.

 

If you feel that the manager is somehow supposed to stroke everyone's cock until they are better at baseball, then I think you have a pretty weird idea of what a manager is about. Maybe the team should invest in a psychologist as a manager, he can put all the players on couches and ask them about their relationships with mommy...

[Deadpool]

The Cito Gaston 'OBP is overrated' element to which I'd bet anything Beeston subscribes to is still the most fundamental problem with this team.

 

Personally, my biggest problem was his "Kevin Millar should bat 4th, he's earned it... Also, f*** dem rookies, they ride the pine until they're 30 and they've earned what Kevin Millar has earned!"

[Howard Roark]

Anyone else here actually feel sorry for ole' Gibby?

 

He seems genuinely likeable, and to see his enthusiasm, and sheer honest level of WTF-ishness in his first few interviews when talking about his shock at getting a second chance to manage in the bigs..........

 

I'd much rather see Beeston get it. Actually I want him fired regardless, can't stand the ****. Then AA if it turns out that he actually wasn't operating under orders to morph into Alex Derpopolis this past offseason. But Gibby? He seems like something of an innocent bystander to me, and I would actually genuinely feel for the guy if he's the only casualty in this train wreck.

[jaysblue]

But Gibby isn't motivating them enough.

 

Josh Johnson is playing for a massive contract but that isn't enough. Josh needs his manager harping on him constantly, pumping him up. Otherwise he'll be disinterested and not try to pitch well.

 

How do we know he isn't motivating them enough? Are you in the clubhouse everyday or the dugout?

[Caper]

f*** there are some stupid ****s on this board.

 

What manager makes Ricky Romero, Brandon Morrow, Josh Johnson and whoever else into good starters? None... no one.

 

John Farrell sucked last year as manager... give him a good team and he's doing great.

 

Holy f*** people are stupid.

[Slot Machine]

North is trying out the troll lifestyle tonight it seems.

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

For serious? He was handed a collection of starting pitchers who have been terrible (exactly zero of that can be put on Gibbons).

 

He's managed the bullpen quite well for the most part (I think he's a bit quick with the hook for my taste, but it's not that terrible). He's realized that Bonerface is bad and is barely playing him at all, he's batting JPA and his massive ribeyes down at the bottom of the order, he's barely calling for sac bunts (yay). He's been a very competent on field manager.

 

If you feel that the manager is somehow supposed to stroke everyone's cock until they are better at baseball, then I think you have a pretty weird idea of what a manager is about. Maybe the team should invest in a psychologist as a manager, he can put all the players on couches and ask them about their relationships with mommy...

 

Not what I saw. His management of the batting order has been terrible all year. His choice of who plays has often been poor. To me, it looks like he tries too hard to make everyone happy and get them all playing time. This is not how the best teams operate.

 

Even considering the points you made, they came far too late, well after everyone knew they needed to happen. Bonofocio was in the lineup regularily for a long time. JPA is no better then a 8th or 9th position batter, but he was slotted much higher on numerous occasions. Bautista at #2 spot was not a good decision. Cabrera in left instead of Davis was a mistake made numerous times the first few months.

 

The only positive I can see is bullpen use. But even there I am seeing there might be a red flag. He likes to go one inning per pitcher far too often. Taking guys out that just put in a few strong outs was a regular occurance. But I'll give him some credit in this area regardless.

 

Bottom line is this team needs some changes and its a lot easier to change the manager then flip the team.

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

Anyone else here actually feel sorry for ole' Gibby?

 

He seems genuinely likeable, and to see his enthusiasm, and sheer honest level of WTF-ishness in his first few interviews when talking about his shock at getting a second chance to manage in the bigs..........

 

I'd much rather see Beeston get it. Actually I want him fired regardless, can't stand the ****. Then AA if it turns out that he actually wasn't operating under orders to morph into Alex Derpopolis this past offseason. But Gibby? He seems like something of an innocent bystander to me, and I would actually genuinely feel for the guy if he's the only casualty in this train wreck.

 

Its a business, all these guys made good money and if you don't perform you get canned. I agree somewhat though that AA is starting to look like the real problem. So how do you address this ? Well, AA has only a week now to make some deals and then maybe some roster moves. Give Gibbons the somewhat altered roster and see if he can win with it.

[jaysblue]

I see Gibbons always sitting there chewing sunflower seeds with his arms crossed. That's not how a championship manager acts, he needs to walk around and get in guys faces.

 

It seems to me like he doesn't care about winning and is content to just collect his paycheques.

 

And if he did, would that make the Jays a 90 win team? How do you know he doesn't get into their faces or talks to them one-on-one in the clubhouse?

[Boxcar]

And if he did, would that make the Jays a 90 win team? How do you know he doesn't get into their faces or talks to them one-on-one in the clubhouse?

 

You must be the easiest person to troll, ever.

[P2F]

You must be the easiest person to troll, ever.

 

Duly noted.

[Deadpool]

His management of the batting order has been terrible all year. His choice of who plays has often been poor. To me, it looks like he tries too hard to make everyone happy and get them all playing time.

 

Bonofocio was in the lineup regularily for a long time. JPA is no better then a 8th or 9th position batter, but he was slotted much higher on numerous occasions.

 

Either it's been "terrible all year" or "went on too long/happened on numerous occasions". You contradicted yourself a paragraph later. Also, he's not playing Bonifacio anymore, so he's clearly not trying to make him happy, nor is JPA likely happy about batting 8th.

 

Bautista at #2 spot was not a good decision.

 

Based on?

 

Cabrera in left instead of Davis was a mistake made numerous times the first few months.

 

Davis cannot hit right handed pitching. .250/.295/.288/.583 this year, .259/.300/.353/.653 career. He should not be an everyday left fielder.

 

It seems that we more or less agree on the bullpen situation, so no need to quote you there.

 

Bottom line is this team needs some changes and its a lot easier to change the manager then flip the team.

 

That's spectacularly dumb. Literally you said "I don't care if it's the right decision, it's the easiest decision, so let's do that!"

[Deadpool]

How do we know he isn't motivating them enough? Are you in the clubhouse everyday or the dugout?

 

It took me WAY too long to find this, damn google image search, but...

 

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/4551/11212002180253zr9.jpg

[Deadpool]

This is the "relief aces" guy man. Good luck, he's probably going to call you a troll because you disagreed with him

 

I'm well aware of who it is. I am bored and in the mood to lord my superior intellect over those who I have deemed unworthy.

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

Either it's been "terrible all year" or "went on too long/happened on numerous occasions". You contradicted yourself a paragraph later. Also, he's not playing Bonifacio anymore, so he's clearly not trying to make him happy, nor is JPA likely happy about batting 8th.

 

There is no contradiction. Both occurred. I won't hold your hand explaining this, you need to try harder.

On this lineup, Davis even against right handed pitchers was a more effective player. Cabrera was a LF with almost no range and he's become

a glorified singles hitter. Bonofocio has been hopeless.

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

This is the "relief aces" guy man. Good luck, he's probably going to call you a troll because you disagreed with him

 

Still trolling I see. Surprise me and say something intelligent about baseball.

[Deadpool]

There is no contradiction. Both occurred. I won't hold your hand explaining this, you need to try harder.

On this lineup, Davis even against right handed pitchers was a more effective player. Cabrera was a LF with almost no range and he's become

a glorified singles hitter. Bonofocio has been hopeless.

 

"All year" includes the last month, you know. Hence the contradiction.

 

Left field is the least important defensive position in baseball. Manny Ramirez was a successful left fielder for years, despite being a circus out there.

 

Incidentally, Melky's line against RHP .288 /.336/.376/.712 (by no means good enough for a left fielder, and I sincerely hope we have a better option for next year) significantly better than Rajai's .250/.295/.288/.583 line. OPS difference of .129.

 

There is no argument that can possibly be made for Davis being the left fielder over Melky with a right handed pitcher on the mound. Not a one. (sure, late inning defensive replacement, but that's it.)

[Chappy]

Jamie Campbell for manager.

[flafson]

The way i see it, when the offense was there, the bullpen blew it, when the bullpen blew it, the starters weren't there to give innings. Unless some here suggest Gibby should have kept JJ in the game even if it meant allowing like 10 runs, not sure what he could have done otherwise.

Usually Gibby's late inning "magic" work like it did when we got that 3rd run but he can't be on the field instead of the players.

Right now it's a snowball that is getting bigger more than anything else. Need one of the starters to put a stop to this and i'm pretty sure that should have happened with Rogers, after dodging all those tough situations. That what good pitchers do, they minimize the damage and continue.

[KSaw]

At least I know to never rehire a guy you already fired.

 

I can't count how many times the Yankees fired and hired Billy Martin.