[AL East Trade]: O's acquire K-Rod

[Orgfiller]

And then what? Your thinking lines up with a bad GM? Congratulations, I guess.

 

Ace. Relievers.

 

Think about that.

[Deadpool]

Still not impressed. You'll have to try harder. I've followed baseball for decades. I knew the American League inside out numerous years because I was an avid rotisserie player ( extended line ups ). Somewhat dated because our pool ended when I drafted M. Rivera as my 40th pick the last season ( his rookie season ). So while I'm not tracking every minor league prospect and roster situation like I used to, I still understand how real baseball guys tend to manage their teams. As an avid Bill James fan, I was also well aware of good stats and bad stats, etc etc . I wouldn't normally post any of this, but frankly you are challenging my background and I'm not putting up with it. I also still play ball despite my age.

 

Let's see what the Jays actually do. I bet they don't trade away Janssen and Delebar. If they trade ONE of them I nailed their move. I'd also like to see them move Bonofocio, Lind, and Johnson, but suspect AA won't do it.

 

btw If you don't take me seriously I'm fine with it. Please ignore my posts entirely.

 

I could give less than three quarters of a f*** if you're impressed, doesn't change anything.

 

"I still understand how real baseball guys tend to manage their teams." because you used to play in a fantasy league 18 years ago. Understanding of baseball has evolved a LOT in 18 years. Playing ball has nothing to do with this conversation, nobody with any shred of self-awareness buys the "you haven't played the game, so you just don't get it man!" argument (and most of us here - myself included - either have played, or still play baseball.) I'm not challenging your background at all, I'm challenging what you have been saying since you have been posting on this board.

 

The fact of the matter is that you're falling into very silly arguments. Saves are a pointless stat that give you no useful information when evaluating a pitcher, the same holds true of wins and losses (Janssen didn't get credited with the loss in his two blown saves this year, great... but what information do you glean from that?)

 

What the Jays do is also not relevant to this conversation. Ultimately, what they do won't be something that we can ever evaluate properly, because we don't know anything about deals that weren't made, deals that were offered and weren't taken and deals that simply never could possibly have happened. Sure, we'll all be rightfully pissed if AA doesn't trade Oliver, but if no team wanted him at any price then what can be done?

 

As to your "who they should move" point. I'd agree 100% on Bonifacio, I would take almost anything just to have him off the team. Some people around here (The Hurl maybe? I forget now) seem to think that there's a few NL teams that would be interested in him... Johnson probably doesn't net you a return better than the compensation pick at this point, but if some team is willing to offer up a decent prospect/package of prospects for him then sure. Lind is maddeningly inconsistent, but he's a cheap LH bat that can be amazing. He's got a $7M club option for next year, so unless a team pays reasonable value for him, I'd hold on to him until the next trade deadline.

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

As to your "who they should move" point. I'd agree 100% on Bonifacio, I would take almost anything just to have him off the team. Some people around here (The Hurl maybe? I forget now) seem to think that there's a few NL teams that would be interested in him... Johnson probably doesn't net you a return better than the compensation pick at this point, but if some team is willing to offer up a decent prospect/package of prospects for him then sure. Lind is maddeningly inconsistent, but he's a cheap LH bat that can be amazing. He's got a $7M club option for next year, so unless a team pays reasonable value for him, I'd hold on to him until the next trade deadline.

 

Lind only because they can't move Cabrera and they have needs. Johnson I just want him gone so they don't feel obligated to sign him again.

[Chappy]

Ace reliever = Ace SP. Who needs Peavy, we have Casey f***ing Janssen.

[Deadpool]

Lind only because they can't move Cabrera and they have needs. Johnson I just want him gone so they don't feel obligated to sign him again.

 

I don't think they'll be able to fill any of their needs by trading Lind, his value simply isn't that high. Keeping Melky over Lind is PROBABLY (again, maddeningly inconsistent) the wrong move from a baseball standpoint, even factoring in contracts.

 

I would be perfectly happy if we were able to sign JJ to a reasonable extension. It would be ludicrous to think that he's as bad as he's been this year, he's had a fantastic career thus far (minus the injuries) and I expect that he'll return to at least partial form no matter where he winds up next year.

 

If he takes the qualifying offer he'll no doubt receive, I would be totally fine with that. If AA works out a 3 year, $30M deal (with AA's customary 800 team options) I would be even happier. Of course, if he turns him into Jurickson Profar or someone similar I would tongue bathe his *******.