All-Star Day(3/3): The 2013 All-Star Game! - Scherzer vs. Harvey - 7:30 PM ET

[baseballsss]

Not a bad case, way to have conviction bro

 

kipnis with a rbi double..

[baseballsss]

Nobody else really did deserve it. Bautista had the GWRBI but the runner who scored was on third w/ 0 outs and Bautista didn't even get a hit. The AL's WP actually went DOWN with his sac fly.

 

i've tried to explain that he doesn't get it

[Dylan]

How drunk are you?

 

Couple drinks, all good.

 

Is the game recorded anywhere that i cant watch tmrw?

[Arkadium]

kipnis with a rbi double..

 

Not go-ahead.

[jays_fever]

FYI, if Mo gave up 10 runs in the 9th, he still wins MVP. Why anyone GAF is beyond me.

[fatcowxlive]

FYI, if Mo gave up 10 runs in the 9th, he still wins MVP. Why anyone GAF is beyond me.

 

Because if Bud Selig makes the ASG mean something important, why does the MVP get handed out for free?

 

If the ASG was treated like the Derby, then IDGAF that Mo wins, but if they make it so important that it decides home field advantage for the most important series in baseball why should the award be handed out as a tribute?

[jays_fever]

Because if Bud Selig makes the ASG mean something important, why does the MVP get handed out for free?

 

If the ASG was treated like the Derby, then IDGAF that Mo wins, but if they make it so important that it decides home field advantage for the most important series in baseball why should the award be handed out as a tribute?

 

The MVP of the all star game has no significance whats so ever. Justin Masterson could have won it and i wouldn't have cared. The all star game doesnt really mean anything anyways, it impacts two teams out of the 30 that are represented, and thats only if it goes 7 games.

[Chappy]

The MVP of the all star game has no significance whats so ever. Justin Masterson could have won it and i wouldn't have cared. The all star game doesnt really mean anything anyways, it impacts two teams out of the 30 that are represented, and thats only if it goes 7 games.

 

The implications of the ASG is f***ing ridiculous. The fact that it impacts the WS is complete and utter BS. The vast majority of players in the game won't even be in the WS. The ASG should just be a fun game for people to watch, not potentially screwing a better team out of home field advantage.

[Arkadium]

The implications of the ASG is f***ing ridiculous. The fact that it impacts the WS is complete and utter BS. The vast majority of players in the game won't even be in the WS. The ASG should just be a fun game for people to watch, not potentially screwing a better team out of home field advantage.

 

What should decide the home field of the WS? Win-loss record of teams in totally different and totally uneven divisions? What else?

[fatcowxlive]

The MVP of the all star game has no significance whats so ever. Justin Masterson could have won it and i wouldn't have cared. The all star game doesnt really mean anything anyways, it impacts two teams out of the 30 that are represented, and thats only if it goes 7 games.

 

That makes it important doesn't it? If the Jays went to the WS last year and had to play the Giants when the Jays had a better record you'd care wouldn't you?

 

So therefore the ASG means something, and if Bud Selig (retardedly) makes it this crucial to a WS victory, then why should the MVP be a handout? Would you be happy if the AL MVP would be Mo? No, of course not.

 

My point is, why is the ASG held as something so important when you're going to give the awards out as a tribute, as if the contest doesn't matter, but in fact it really does? The ASG MVP should symbolize the person who aided their side to victory, and gave their respective league's winner home field advantage

[fatcowxlive]

What should decide the home field of the WS? Win-loss record of teams in totally different and totally uneven divisions? What else?

 

Yes because that is better than playing one game in the season where you play your best 9 players for only 2 ABs and give players (who have to be from each team on the MLB and voted in by fans) very limited chances to make an impact.

[jays_fever]

That makes it important doesn't it? If the Jays went to the WS last year and had to play the Giants when the Jays had a better record you'd care wouldn't you?

 

So therefore the ASG means something, and if Bud Selig (retardedly) makes it this crucial to a WS victory, then why should the MVP be a handout? Would you be happy if the AL MVP would be Mo? No, of course not.

 

My point is, why is the ASG held as something so important when you're going to give the awards out as a tribute, as if the contest doesn't matter, but in fact it really does? The ASG MVP should symbolize the person who aided their side to victory, and gave their respective league's winner home field advantage

 

Im not advocating that Mo should have won it just because, or that the ASG should or shouldnt determine home field adv in the WS. Im just stating that its not worth it to really care either way. It is what it is and anyone still expecting the right players winning the proper awards, despite the amount of advanced stats out there, is only kidding themselves. After Mike Trout doesnt win MVP after a 10 war season and Adam Jones wins a GG, I really gave up. Its just so much simpler to watch the games and not care what these clowns on the air believe in.

[Chappy]

What should decide the home field of the WS? Win-loss record of teams in totally different and totally uneven divisions? What else?

 

It's better than using the ASG to determine it.

 

As it is, scheduling is a joke because teams in the same league are not even playing a balanced schedule. Teams in the AL West and Central have a significant advantage schedule wise over teams in the AL East for the WC.

 

At least awarding it to the team with the best overall record is more reasonable than letting a group of players (most of whom won't be in the WS) determine home field advantage.

[Chappy]

Yes because that is better than playing one game in the season where you play your best 9 players for only 2 ABs and give players (who have to be from each team on the MLB and voted in by fans) very limited chances to make an impact.

 

The whole thing is a joke. This game should be for fans to see all the great players in one game, not to have an impact on something meaningful.

[fatcowxlive]

Im not advocating that Mo should have won it just because, or that the ASG should or shouldnt determine home field adv in the WS. Im just stating that its not worth it to really care either way. It is what it is and anyone still expecting the right players winning the proper awards, despite the amount of advanced stats out there, is only kidding themselves. After Mike Trout doesnt win MVP after a 10 war season and Adam Jones wins a GG, I really gave up. Its just so much simpler to watch the games and not care what these clowns on the air believe in.

 

You're right, I'm expecting much from these dinosaurs. It just pisses me off that the ASG is held to such importance because of the impact it has on the WS, yet everyone (including Selig) treats it as a fun game (which is the correct way of treating it). They should revert back to the old way of WS determined by W/L record and allow players to be recycled and reused after the reserves are done, incase there are extra innings.

 

The whole thing is a joke. This game should be for fans to see all the great players in one game, not to have an impact on something meaningful.

 

I feel like, at times, forced to cheer for the AL because the Jays have (a slim, but still possible) chance to reach the post season and the decision would impact them, if they reached that far (I know it sounds dumn because it's almost impossible for the Jays to reach the WS, but you get my point!)

[flafson]

I found it to be a little bit unfair to be honest. It was clear that Leyland did everything he could to win it while the other guy didn't.

They way he used Cecil and Delabar reminds me of someone with unlimited resources doing everything he can to make sure it goes his way.

[Angrioter]

Cecil and Delabar trade value after ASG?

 

Lifetime ASG

 

Cecil and Delabar

27.00 K/9

0.00 BB/9

OBPa .000

[baseballsss]

Because if Bud Selig makes the ASG mean something important, why does the MVP get handed out for free?

 

If the ASG was treated like the Derby, then IDGAF that Mo wins, but if they make it so important that it decides home field advantage for the most important series in baseball why should the award be handed out as a tribute?

 

you sound butt hurt that you didn't get the chance to stuff the ballot box with joses name even though he clearly didn't deserve it as well.

[G-Snarls]

Cecil and Delabar trade value after ASG?

 

Lifetime ASG

 

Cecil and Delabar

27.00 K/9

0.00 BB/9

OBPa .000

 

LOL don't forget ERA 0.00

[G-Snarls]

I found it to be a little bit unfair to be honest. It was clear that Leyland did everything he could to win it while the other guy didn't.

They way he used Cecil and Delabar reminds me of someone with unlimited resources doing everything he can to make sure it goes his way.

 

Leyland is awesome

[G-Snarls]

Leyland would probably kill to have Cecil and Delabar in the Tigers bullpen

 

Hopefully AA can convince Dombrowski to trade something good for Janssen instead. 'Dem saves and all...

[fatcowxlive]

Win/Loss doesn't factor in the strength of the league though. The AL is a stronger league and deserves HF advantage. You wouldn't be able to express that by W/L. It should be interleague record I suppose, but this is a fun alternative.

 

Also, tonight's game was way easier to watch because it mattered. Leyland managed to win, which involved putting players in matchups they could succeed in. The hitters took their appearances seriously instead of swinging for the fences. The pitchers reared back with all they had.

 

I don't want to watch a skills showcase, I want to watch the game's best duel it out. I wouldn't watch if they bent the rules, or made sure every player got into the boxscore.

 

Ok there is a few issues with this though, first of all, some batters took more ABs than the rest because Leyland thought those players could add a run in for the AL disregarding the rest of the bench. What about the poor Astros fans? Castro didnt play at all. The ASG, when over managed like yesterday doesn't become fun. I want to see the homer leaders swing for the fences and players to feel free so we can see crazy things, but every player took the game too serious for my likening.

[fatcowxlive]

you sound butt hurt that you didn't get the chance to stuff the ballot box with joses name even though he clearly didn't deserve it as well.

 

Listen, he did more than Mo did. If Bautista doesn't get it, then give it to Sale for a good 2 scoreless innings of work with a few Ks.

[Chappy]

I feel like, at times, forced to cheer for the AL because the Jays have (a slim, but still possible) chance to reach the post season and the decision would impact them, if they reached that far (I know it sounds dumn because it's almost impossible for the Jays to reach the WS, but you get my point!)

 

Sure, but most people watching the game don't even realize the implications of it.

[Arkadium]

Leyland is awesome

 

Understatement, Leyland is by far the best manager in the game. Maddon doesn't even come close.

[fatcowxlive]

Sure, but most people watching the game don't even realize the implications of it.

 

And when do they realize the implications of it? When their team loses home field advantage despite a better record haha

[fatcowxlive]

lol do you think Astros fans actually care that Jason Castro didn't play? Most of them probably don't even know who he is, and the ones who do think he should be traded (sell high, get some prospects). If the HR leaders swung for the fences they all would have struck out because the pitching is so good. We would have had a 1-0 game instead of 3-0. That type of exhibition doesn't really work in baseball because you're not going to get the pitchers to dog it. "Hey Kershaw, hang a breaking ball to Davis so he can put on a show for the fans."

 

I want a close game of real baseball. I don't want to watch a high-scoring affair with managers being forced to work in Jason Castro and Matt Carpenter.

 

Yes I do think they know him, he's their starting catcher and their only all-star. Just because they have a s***** record, doesn't mean they don't have fans or their fans don't care. I'm not saying that pitchers hang pitches for the batters, but I'm saying that the batters should go out there relaxed and ready to put on a show, just crushing the ball if you're a slugger or poking it and steal bases if you're that type of player. It's a time for the fans to enjoy the players they help vote in, not chose the fate of the WS advantage.

[Chappy]

And when do they realize the implications of it? When their team loses home field advantage despite a better record haha

 

Something the Jays won't have to worry about.

[Chappy]

Leyland would probably kill to have Cecil and Delabar in the Tigers bullpen

 

Hopefully AA can convince Dombrowski to trade something good for Janssen instead. 'Dem saves and all...

 

As much as I would like to see Janssen moved for a quality asset in return, I don't really think it happens. I have a feeling AA doesn't want to disrupt the pen one bit. Maybe he moves a less significant arm or two.

 

I really don't know what to make of this mess. We have so many f***ing relievers yet we have black holes all over the rest of this roster.

 

Someone needs to smack AA in the head and knock some sense into him. Time to revamp this team or were likely looking at last place again next season.

 

The joys of being a Jays fan.

[G-Snarls]

Also don't look now but Rasmus is second in AL OF WAR to Trout. Did anyone consider him a snub?

 

Glad you mentioned it

 

Rasmus is very good. This seems to be the real Rasmus - excellent fielding range but weak arm, .250 BA with plus power (30 HR) but high strikeouts. Nothing wrong with that. He's a keeper. But not all-star caliber, even with the dearth of high end OF's there seems to be in the AL right now.