Blue Jays scouts attendance at Petco Park for Edinson Volquez

[jaysblue]

Moving Lawrie would be pointless. He is still cheap and plays plus D. His bat has been a disappointment, but he still has a lot of value for this team. I wouldn't even entertain moving him right now. Maybe in a couple years when he starts to get expensive.

 

I agree, its pointless to move a younger third baseman like Lawrie + or let alone straight up for Headley. Like I said, I doubt a trade for Headley happens since the price tag is likely ridiculous. And its not like Headley is hitting that well this season anyways.

[Chappy]

have you noticed that Bumfiasco has been putting in a better effort lately? dude has to know his s*** wont fly. he's played just good enough to keep AA buying into AA's hype about Boni being the deal breaker. (face palm)

 

He has been ok, but his bat has been non-existent. That combined together leaves him with no value or even negative value. We don't need a star at 2B with the lineup we have, we just need someone who can be consistently average. Anything more is just a bonus.

[IronLadle]

have you noticed that Bumfiasco has been putting in a better effort lately? dude has to know his s*** wont fly. he's played just good enough to keep AA buying into AA's hype about Boni being the deal breaker. (face palm)

 

I hated "Fiasco" at the start of the year, but lately his d has impressed me - his range is crazy. Last year he played CF for the majority of the year, so he's obviously not used to 2nd and on top of that he's learning the position on astro turf.

 

I'd hold onto him a little longer just in case he figures out how to hit.

[KSaw]

Volquez would be dirt cheap. Rogers is going to run out of innings and Happ isn't healthy yet. Acquiring him for a bag of balls isn't the worst idea.

[Captain Adama]

Volquez would be dirt cheap. Rogers is going to run out of innings and Happ isn't healthy yet. Acquiring him for a bag of balls isn't the worst idea.

 

A guy who walks almost as many as he strikes out?

 

WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?

[bzapple]

Lawrie + for Headley no way, I wouldn't trade Lawrie straight up for Headley at this point.

 

I wouldn't either. But the Padres would not be unreasonable to demand such a price. Even though he hasn't found his stroke yet this year, Headley's in his prime years, plays a premium position, and is coming off a 7 WAR season. A very valuable asset.

[Dr Negative]

If you can't pitch in San Diego, you can't pitch anywhere in the big leagues.

[KSaw]

A guy who walks almost as many as he strikes out?

 

WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?

 

Not much. He's a soon to be DFA by the Padres. So what if we used him for 5 innings twice?

[Captain Adama]

Not much. He's a soon to be DFA by the Padres. So what if we used him for 5 innings twice?

 

I'd expect a lot of shittiness.

[GD]

Oh my god

 

When we trade Sanchez for him I'm expecting you to tape your freakout and put it on youtube.

[Chappy]

Not much. He's a soon to be DFA by the Padres. So what if we used him for 5 innings twice?

 

That would be two games where a heavy burden is placed on the offense and pen. We can surely do better than this.

[KSaw]

And fair enough but until Stroman gets more work, Nolin matures, Ricky is Ricky again, Happ is healthy-- there isn't much behind the 4 1/2 starters we currently have.

[Captain Adama]

That would be two games where a heavy burden is placed on the offense and pen. We can surely do better than this.

 

Jenkins is a much better option than this.

[IBTrini]

The problem is we have 3 so-so middle infielders right now in Kawasaki, Izturis and Bonifacio

 

If we're going to pick someone up I want it to be a large upgrade or else why bother?

I agree. Minor upgrades just won't cut it at this point in time.

[Deadpool]

At least. Try Lawrie + Gose + Stroman.

 

I wouldn't do that because of Headley's contract... Even contracts, then yeah I'd do that...

[TheHurl]

I'm guessing that the Jays were there scouting...Edison Volquez. I love denial from fans when there is something they don't want to hear. He's a guy who throws a 95 MPH sinker, has thrown just two less quality starts as Buehrle and Dickey and will be available for nothing. Lots of teams will look at him. Doesn't mean that the Jays will trade for him, doesn't mean they are looking at anyone else. Just old school scouting that almost never works, some guy will say "I see something I think might work" and their team will end up with Volquez...we just have to hope it's not one of our scouts.

[admin]

NO thanks.

I don't see the point.

You need a starter you bring Stroman up.

[Angrioter]

The Padres are closer to a playoff spot than we are, why are they going to sell us some good players?!

 

Money and regression?

 

Headley is a little overrated. Lawrie 23 is a young high ceiling guy, he'll stay here for a while.

 

Boni for Hundley+ could be the trade

[ElNik2013]

Keep the prospects, the system is looking a bit better with Jimenez, Burns, Pillar, Stroman, Nolin at AA and AAA with Hutchison coming back and Sanchez back from injury. And let's not forget that Romero kid! haha.

[ElNik2013]

That's way too much man?!?!

 

 

I think he was saying that that would be the package they'd ask for.

[Angrioter]

No, he said at least try ,etc.......way too much.

 

Romero and Volquez in the same team would be great; Tons of walks all night long.

[Angrioter]

Hah, Volquez went 5 and 2/3 the other night giving up 2 runs on 2 hits with a K/BB of 1.00 while walking 7, lol.

 

I was dying when I saw him pitch against Italy and allowed 4 runs in the first inning.

 

Stuff 7/8

Control 1/8 (command 0/8)

[ElNik2013]

No, he said at least try ,etc.......way too much.

 

 

You're wrong bro, reread the thread. When he said 'at least', he was responding to someone suggesting it would take Sanchez + Gose. So the other poster says it'll take Sanchez + Gose and KSaw replies that it would take at least that package and suggests it would be Lawrie + Gose + Stroman by saying "try" meaning "more like" Lawrie + Gose + Stroman...at least this is the way I read it.

[z3r0s]

Meh.....the scouting report on Lawrie at 2nd base was bad, no footwork to play the position, he's fine at third.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the scouting reports for Brett at 3rd bad too? When he was coming up I heard LF was his final resting spot.

[KSaw]

I did go back and re-read it, jaysblue suggested the Sanchez plus saying it's too much for the Jays to give up yada,yada. He (Kirksaw) still thinks they should offer that to acquire Headley. He mentions it in his post in a follow up thinking it's worth it to block the Yankees from signing him. For some odd reason, I think I'm reading it right, he'll answer me anyhow.

 

Huh? I wouldn't offer anything to get Headley. I was merely pointing out what kind of deal San Diego are looking for. They want far too much. I wouldn't be in on him.

[admin]

Not sure about 3rd.......it could've been, his range at third is redonkulous though, we all know that.

 

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[z3r0s]

Not sure about 3rd.......it could've been, his range at third is redonkulous though, we all know that.

 

The range is crazy. I'm just saying I'd be tempted to try the guy at 2B if we have another viable option at 3B. He's proved his defensive doubters wrong in the past.

 

That being said, its not like we have a replacement at 3B right now anyway.

[DuckDuckGose]

Not sure about 3rd.......it could've been, his range at third is redonkulous though, we all know that.

 

They were better by the time he came up but a lot of scouts didn't think he'd stick at 3rd and didn't like what they saw before he got to Toronto. Also AA is on record this year saying, and I'm paraphrasing, the club isn't sure if Brett's D is better at 2B or 3B and that he can play both positions.

 

IMO Headley makes a ton of sense if Lawrie can play a decent 2B, moving Lawrie for Headley would be a circular manoeuvre.

[DuckDuckGose]

Yeah we don't.

 

 

 

I've read he has horrible footwork at 2nd......but I've read that about Prado to? Who knows but it is nonsensical at the moment.

 

I've read that as well. Very good chance we are seeing 3-4 year old scouting reports from Lawrie's time with the Brewers.

 

The fact remains that only those within the Jays' organization has recently seen Lawrie's footwork at 2B outside of the few games he played at 2B during his April rehab stint. Scouting reports from outside the organization are most definitely flawed because of this and are either rehashing old reports or making broad claims based on skill-set and play at the hot corner.

 

IMO Lawrie's range, hands and arm all play very well at 2B, as you alluded to the only real question mark is his footwork. It'll take reps to get that part of his game down but, it shouldn't be an insurmountable hurdle.

[DuckDuckGose]

It seems like a plan better suited for the off-season. Still if AA could add an AS level 3B, I wouldn't hesitate to move Lawrie to 2B.