Post your idea for getting steroids out of the game

[Olerud363]

But was Pound really that involved in Tour de France testing?? I wasn't aware of that. He seemed to be as critical of their testing procedures, calling out Lance Armstrong years ago.

[The_DH]

Come on. I know its the edgy thing to say something like this but it's disgraced the sport.

 

And you're just begging for a bunch of stupid kids to mis-use the stuff when they're too young if the other cheek is turned.

 

How about an immediate 100 game ban and the following seaosn the player is not allowed to sign a multi year contract? That'll get their attention.

 

It seems pitching injuries are up at the same time as steroids use is under the gun. So maybe the answer is to figure a way to cut down on injuries. I remember reading how steroid use impacted on recovery time.

[Nox]

But currently (most) performance enhancers are illegal. The general rule is that these guys can take whatevers legal in society.

 

The necessarily vagueness of your statement is part of what's so bothersome.

[Boxcar]

imo the only way is to ban the offender for life, it's the only way. it almost looks as if the MLB condones and promotes illegal steroid use, 50 games is nothing

 

how many more decades do we have to keep hearing about this stuff?

 

the last 30 years of baseball are basically a wash and you got players STILL using it because worst comes to worst... you miss less than 1/3 of a season

 

I don't really see the problem. I didn't really like the mid 90's-mid 2000's where there were several guys hitting 50 per year, but it's fine now so I don't care that much. Would I ban guys from the HOF for this? Hell no. How are we so sure guys like Aaron and Killebrew WERE clean? Seems to be a massive assumption everyone is making. Steroids or not, Rodriguez and Bonds were generational talents. We may never see a hitter like Bonds again. Why ignore one of the greatest of all time for the sake of some misguided, righteous quest? Seems trivial and dumn.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

Boxy please change the avatar.

 

Can't handle it for much longer.

[Olerud363]

The necessarily vagueness of your statement is part of what's so bothersome.

 

Other than "anything goes", any drug policy or testing system will have gray areas.

 

A couple of guys are for "anything goes", and I'm guessing you're in that camp too. That means your for Cocaine I guess??

 

If your for "anything goes" you have to really be for "anything goes"... because otherwise you just have a different line in the sand.

[admin]

You have to have testing to protect the brand. Steroids is a hot button topic with the public like gay marriage or something. If you take the wrong position on it as a brand, its a killer.

 

I don't know how much mlb ACTUALLY cares. I mean, I'm speculating but its not unlikely a lot of your superstars are on something. Clearly the testing process is a farce. Guys that get caught really come off as dumb. You don't see mlb doing any detective work to really expose a scandal like this. Nor do they probably allocate a chunk of their billions to be really cutting edge with their testing process. Why not hire as consultants guys like Tony B and pay them a ton of loot to stay on top of current trends with designer roids and "masking" methods.

 

They are merely reacting to someone else's investigations (or when this all started years ago, public outcry) that are going to be (have been) made public and they're essentially saving face.

 

That's why I don't understand why they're making a big deal about this.

I mean it wasn't a huge deal, but they turned it into something massive.

Almost seems like a setting an example out of them.

But I mean if they wanted to, they could simply say xxxxx players passed every drug test so the allegations simply aren't true.

 

 

So where do we draw the line?

 

Where do things like TJS with a ligament from a cadaver that gives an elbow better than natural strength come into this?

 

What about the stem cell treatment used on Big Fat Bartolo Colon? Without them I doubt he'd be in the big leagues right now. Should such treatments be illegal?

 

What about hypothetical complete shoulder transplants ~50 years in the future that both "heal" and improve baseline performance?

 

etc, etc, etc,

 

The first arbitrary line in the sand usually drawn is something along "injury recovery vs. performance recovery". Well, staying healthy is a skill. It's not all luck of the draw (especially with pitchers). Keeping them healthy is essentially equivalent to enhancing performance.

 

And what about in the future where there may be PEDs that have no side effects? What reason is there to not take these if every normal person (non baseball player) should theoretically take them to improve their day to day life?

 

Protein supplements, creatine, etc. Where does it stop.

[Boxcar]

Boxy please change the avatar.

 

Can't handle it for much longer.

 

http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/marlins/files/2012/05/lovisteboni11.jpg

[Nox]

Protein supplements, creatine, etc. Where does it stop.

 

Exactly. I'm pretty sure a guy busting his ass in the gym with proper nutrition/supplements accompanying it enhances performance when compared to your standard cheesburger/beer diet of most ball players 50 years ago.

 

I'm not saying I have the answers to this question. I'm just pointing out why it's a hard question and why I think the current witch hunt approach the MLB seems to favour is pretty thick skulled.

[Olerud363]

Exactly. I'm pretty sure a guy busting his ass in the gym with proper nutrition/supplements accompanying it enhances performance when compared to your standard cheesburger/beer diet of most ball players 50 years ago.

 

I'm not saying I have the answers to this question. I'm just pointing out why it's a hard question and why I think the current witch hunt approach the MLB seems to favour is pretty thick skulled.

 

A lot of us are against the witch hunt. I don't like the fact that some guys are caught because their dealer squeals.

[Nox]

http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/marlins/files/2012/05/lovisteboni11.jpg

 

Lol!!

[connorp]

"That's why I don't understand why they're making a big deal about this.

I mean it wasn't a huge deal, but they turned it into something massive.

Almost seems like a setting an example out of them.

But I mean if they wanted to, they could simply say xxxxx players passed every drug test so the allegations simply aren't true"

 

Well, the story was kind of in its infancy. I'm sure it would have gotten legs regardless of what mlb did being what it is. Selig is like a politician. A very good and convincing one. "Crusader" against PED reform.. blah blah.. also the media would paint mlb as fools if they took the stance "they were tested and passed".. we all know by so many examples like Armstrong, Bonds, Big Mac.. that positive tests does not equal innocence. So Selig is doing exactly what a good politician is supposed to do.

[Arkadium]

Boni is a lot buffer than I thought, especially for a speedster

[hummus]

Some great thoughts in here, I especially like the one where players get an automatic 100 game suspension and next season no multi year contracts permitted.

 

The thing is, MLB knows this would work, yet won't enforce stricter rules? I wonder why it's fricken 2013

[cesarb182]

f*** boni, if you're gonna use illuminati symbolism and say that is "lo viste" at least make a pact with lucifer for hitting powers, twat

[wilko]

http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/marlins/files/2012/05/lovisteboni11.jpg

 

He's clearly on roids.

[cottoncandy]

Harsher penalties would be a good start.

 

162 games first offence. 3 years 2nd offence. Death 3rd offence. Lifetime ban 4th offense

[crrr]

Best way to get steroids out of the game?

 

Have the punishment be salary related.

 

Any player caught using steroids has a void contract and set salary for some probationary period, after which he hits the market again as a FA.

 

Obviously the player's union wouldn't agree to this, so nothing will happen.

[o2cui2i]

Best way to get steroids out of the game?

 

Have the punishment be salary related.

 

Any player caught using steroids has a void contract and set salary for some probationary period, after which he hits the market again as a FA.

 

Obviously the player's union wouldn't agree to this, so nothing will happen.

 

players union needs to be outed and embarrassed for how they defend the degenerates, the same way the commissioners office needs to be outed for protecting incompetent umpires for decades of ineptitude.

 

but it wont happen. it should be the same punishment as olympic athletes. 2 year bad on first offense and lifetime for second. no pay, no play for banned time.

[crrr]

The problem with the huge punishments is you want to come close to a one size fits all. I'm not sure that banning Stroman for 2 years for taking the wrong supplement is worthwhile.

 

It's a touchy issue that would take lots of work... Not sure they're interested in that work

[EdelweissBouquet]

Life long ban for 1st offense, plus 3 years with no chance of parole.

[leaffie]

The problem with this latest mess, is that it comes across as some kind of witch hunt because Braun beat them last time.

 

To me if mlb is serious about a completely clean game (which they will never get), they should be testing to olympic standards. If not, they should continue on their current path.

 

But more important to me, is not whether they catch someone that is cheating. But that they don't catch someone who made an honest mistake and took a cold medicine with something in it.

[saskjayfan]

What's the point of testing if there are so many ways to beat it?

Obviously it would never happen, but it's atleast a level playing field.

You had Bonds and a handful of others on an undetectable steroid for who knows how long.

 

Jose Canseco made a great point.

Him and his brother took the same steroids, trained the same, etc. His brother didn't make it pro.

They aren't magic.

 

How about you tell me what your plan is, and I'll let you know why it's dumb.

 

Bonds played in an era with no testing...The biggest misconception about steriods is that tests for them are easy to beat. This is not true. Since testing was implemented the steriod cocktails that stayed in your system for 3 to 6 months which is what bonds and all the other guys were on are no longer used due to random testing. The drugs used now clear your system much quicker and you basically are gambling you won't get tested while you are on it...but you will eventually get caught like Braund did...but he got off on a technicality. Most guys aren't using...it's pretty evident when you look at the home run and power numbers, which are down significantly since testing was implemented.

[hummus]

The problem with this latest mess, is that it comes across as some kind of witch hunt because Braun beat them last time.

 

To me if mlb is serious about a completely clean game (which they will never get), they should be testing to olympic standards. If not, they should continue on their current path.

 

But more important to me, is not whether they catch someone that is cheating. But that they don't catch someone who made an honest mistake and took a cold medicine with something in it.

Sports networks are blowing this thing way outta proportion. I've heard so many different speculations it's ridiculous, networks say suspensions are coming to 15-20-30 players

 

In reality noone will get suspended and this will get swept under the rug

[leaffie]

TJ Quinn (wrote the book about steroids and bonds), was on XM yesterday. Said that this is all driven by Selig. Said they were so angry when Braun got off, he fired the arbitrator of 30 years, hired someone that he wanted, and ordered him to go after Braun, the clinic and everyone mentioned. Doesn't want his legacy tarnished. According to him, this is about the appearance of cleaning up the game, and if nothing comes of it, Selig won't care. He tried.