Ok, I'll say it: R.A. Dickey sucks.

[Arkadium]

Still seems like a good signing to me, it just didn't turn out (yet). Let's be honest, it seemed like a bargain at the time. Nobody saw this coming.

[GD]

Still seems like a good signing to me, it just didn't turn out (yet). Let's be honest, it seemed like a bargain at the time. Nobody saw this coming.

 

Who are you referring to exactly, Dickey? Because that never really seemed like a bargain.

[GD]

A bargain for a pitcher coming off a Cy Young award in concerns of dollars. The value given up was high though.

 

Oh, the contract? The contract still isn't *that* bad imo.

[Chappy]

Oh, the contract? The contract still isn't *that* bad imo.

 

The contract isn't bad by any means. Its just the prospects traded.

[gruber92]

Still seems like a good signing to me, it just didn't turn out (yet). Let's be honest, it seemed like a bargain at the time. Nobody saw this coming.

 

You can't be serious.

[GD]

The contract isn't bad by any means. Its just the prospects traded.

 

Please don't remind me.

 

You can't be serious.

 

Nothing wrong with his post.

[Arkadium]

Who are you referring to exactly, Dickey? Because that never really seemed like a bargain.

 

Cy Young or not, what he did over 3 the last years... it was a bargain. I don't want to hear any crap about National league vs. American league... he's been pitching like crap, injury or not, has little to do with new league.

[gruber92]

Please don't remind me.

 

 

 

Nothing wrong with his post.

 

So giving up arguably the best catching prospect(especially when our current one is a bumbling,stumbling idiot) and a pitcher with #1-3 type projections for an aging trick pony who has pitched in the NL only,was looked upon as a good trade at the time? By whom? I sincerely did not like the trade when it happened,especially feeling the team already made the necessary moves in the Miami trade. This trade was obviously conducted in an over zealous fashion by AA,almost like a kid in a candy store with $100 burning a hole in his pocket. AA clearly lost sight of things and underestimated the risks involved when trading for a NL pitcher to pitch in the AL East,let alone a 38 year old one. There is nothing wrong in trading for a NL pitcher,but not for your top two prospects for a 38 year old,decent contract or not. The committing factor IMO was that Dickey is a knuckleballer,thus negating the age factor. Stupid,and AA will pay (hopefully). It just felt like AA tipped the scales way too much by emptying the farm in the two trades. The Miami trade was enough for me,the Mets trade created a huge imbalance in the organization and not worth the risk IMO.

[IronLadle]

Cy Young or not, what he did over 3 the last years... it was a bargain. I don't want to hear any crap about National league vs. American league... he's been pitching like crap, injury or not, has little to do with new league.

 

He had one great year! When you trade away the talent we did, I'd expect a little more consistency, Dickey hasn't just underperformed he's been brutal.

[GD]

Cy Young or not, what he did over 3 the last years... it was a bargain. I don't want to hear any crap about National league vs. American league... he's been pitching like crap, injury or not, has little to do with new league.

 

The contract or the trade?

[GD]

He had one great year!

 

You are stupid!

[gruber92]

He had one great year! When you trade away the talent we did, I'd expect a little more consistency, Dickey hasn't just underperformed he's been brutal.

 

He actually had three solid years, with the last one being great. It still doesn't justify the trade imo.

[IronLadle]

He actually had three solid years, with the last one being great. It still doesn't justify the trade imo.

 

Exactly, one great year. We bought Dickey as his absolute highest.

[IronLadle]

You are stupid!

 

Dickey never put up ace numbers before his Cy Young season.

[GD]

Dickey never put up ace numbers before his Cy Young season.

 

The notion he had 'one great year' is completely ridiculous. 7.6 RA9-Wins from 2010-2011. He was incredible. And then he peaked, and we traded for him, which is why the trade is stupid, which I agree with, but people who say he had one great year annoy me.

 

He had a career year. Not one great year. There's a difference.

[Wilnercibia]

Wang> Dickey

[Iluvbjs]

Last year his k/bb ratio was almost 4.3/1 and so far this year, not even 2/1. He's on course to strike out 100 less batters this year in the same games played. He's on course to give up about 135 runs, double last year. All of his numbers across the board are alarmingly out of whack with last years stats comparatively.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/dicker.01-pitch.shtml

[Iluvbjs]

The notion he had 'one great year' is completely ridiculous. 7.6 RA9-Wins from 2010-2011. He was incredible. And then he peaked, and we traded for him, which is why the trade is stupid, which I agree with, but people who say he had one great year annoy me.

 

He had a career year. Not one great year. There's a difference.

 

Exactly, his last 3 years were all really f***ing good. He pitched almost 200 innings each of the 2 years previous with his highest ERA being barely over 3 any of the 3 years in question. Kind of alarming that this year he is giving up a homerun 1/6 IP and the previous 3 years were around 1/10. Which is definately somewhat the fault of our launching pad but his numbers across the board are way out of whack comparatively.

 

But yeah, his last 3 years were all pretty damn good and his numbers prove it.

[Dick_Pole]

I am deeply depressed. We won't see a winning team until AA is fired, which could take a couple of years. And we also need to get Paul Beeston the f*** away from this team.

 

Unless Beeston can convince Rogers to throw another $50M+ on this team. Then they can take a shot at McCann, Garza and maybe a few other players in the offseason and things hopefully will be better for next year.

 

One thing that I can give AA credit for...all those added contracts and despite the destruction of the farm, the team can wipe the slate clean relatively easily because none of the contracts are all that long. As long as Rogers ponies up a reasonable amount of money in the foreseeable future and the Jays can attract free agents (or take on salary dumps), they have a shot to be consistently competitive. People talk about Syndergaard and d'Arnaud and how much the Jays will miss them. I'm under the assumption that between now and 2016 there's gonna be like a dozen acquisitions that will make people forget both of those guys rather quickly.

[AdamGreenwood]

Hopefully, we can dump a lot of these big contracts. Miami and Boston both found teams dumb enough to not only take on bad contracts, (after their cheap years were used up), but also to get the teams to give up good prospects to take on these burdening contracts. Maybe we can do the same. There's always LAA.

[Olerud363]

The notion he had 'one great year' is completely ridiculous. 7.6 RA9-Wins from 2010-2011. He was incredible. And then he peaked, and we traded for him, which is why the trade is stupid, which I agree with, but people who say he had one great year annoy me.

 

He had a career year. Not one great year. There's a difference.

 

This is why I keep bringing up John Henry and Suart Sternberg and even the Stienbrenners.

 

These successful teams are run by guys who are good at trading. They understand transactions, buying low, selling high, even if they don't completely understand the underlying product.

 

They are good at learning what they need to know about the trade, whether it's currency, a stock (pepsi, apple, catepillar), horses or whatever. They know people. They ask around about the issues but know to take all inforation with a grain of salt.

 

And here is what is key. They take nothing for granted. They know that 80% of what they hear will be ********. So you get an old drunk scout yappin away to Stuart Sternberg and he's going to chuckle a little because he just came from hearing a young drunk marketer yapping away about smart phone stocks. He's not going to be impressed with scouts the way Beeston will...

 

The guys who buy a sub prime mortgage bond in 2005... the guys who buy RA Dickey after 2012. They are the same. They are required for the smart guys to have fun and be successful.

 

Henry and Sternberg and the Strienbrenners love Beeston.

[IronLadle]

The notion he had 'one great year' is completely ridiculous. 7.6 RA9-Wins from 2010-2011. He was incredible. And then he peaked, and we traded for him, which is why the trade is stupid, which I agree with, but people who say he had one great year annoy me.

 

He had a career year. Not one great year. There's a difference.

 

Your getting solid confused with great

[GD]

These successful teams are run by guys who are good at trading.

 

And that's why the Cherrington closer carousel of ineptitude is still happening, right?

 

>Trade Josh f***ing Reddick for a reliever

>Reliever injured (shocker)

>Trade Jed Lowrie for another reliever

>Reliever has one unlucky inning

>Sends him down

>Trades him for even worse reliever

>Doesn't look at FIP, xFIP, looks at ERA

>Worse reliever gets injured

 

Kinda f***ing sad.

 

Your getting solid confused with great

 

And you don't understand that he was actually much better than 'solid.'

[GD]

Dickey Johnson and Wang

there you have it folks the season joke hit its high point

 

Trade for Charlie Furbush and Doug Fister please

[Wilnercibia]

Wang>>> Dickey

[backontop]

All that matters is Dickey does stink. Pitching like an ace one out of 60 games will not get the job done, and I'm tired of hearing about all these PHONY injury excuses. I can just hear it now in August, "Oh gee if RA Dickey wouldn't have been injured we'd be in first place" The Jays Management put too much emphasis on relief pitching, and little on starters. It's great starters that win pennants not relief pitchers, look at St. Louis. As of mid June we have Johnson, Burhle, Rogers, Wang and soon Morrow. Dickey is a LIABILITY, like Romero, so why put the SOB out there just so that we can be 4 - 0 after two innings, ANS - because we are paying him so much. Remember when they brought Romero up to pitch a game whan we were already 8 games below .500 and couldn't afford to lose? There was no indication that Romero would be affective, but only the opposite. Thats Beeston for you, PUBLIC RELATIONS is his forte, not knowing how to win. Remember Gibbons first time here and losing badly for a long time, Beeston FINALLY fires Gibbons, but replaces him with Cito Gaston. If Gaston was a good manager he would have found work elsewhere. The White Sox were originally interested in Gaston, but someone had to explain to the GM, "NO NO, even tho he won two World Series he is not a good manager!" Pat Gillick just happened to bring in some great players thats all. If it wasn't for Pat Gillick The Blue Jays never would have been good enough to win a world series.

[Wilnercibia]

If he pitches like s*** in his next start... Oh boy

[GD]

All that matters is Dickey does stink.

 

tl;dr

[Llakas]

What's really sad is that the lil streak we have is about to be stopped by Dickey , I pray that I am wrong. Please Dickey make me eat crow

[Buster]

Wonder if we could give RAD back to the Mets for only one of Noah or TDA.