JPA Troll Post

[connorp]

Been a long time since I had a troll post.. but in seriousness, 1.6% BB rate and all.. JPA on pace in fWAR to provide starting level C production at his current salary of $500k/year, clearly leading the team in $/WAR as well.. as his pitch framing numbers this season don't suggest subtracting any value, fWAR has to be taken at face value.

 

Is it sustainable?.. or what will regress? Also, on a $120m payroll team that has gone completely bust, how much is actually this guy's fault?

[connorp]

While not likely, it's conceivable his power production could continue through a season (30+ hrs, .500slg).. his BB% rate certainly cant go anywhere but up and is at obvious career low.

[connorp]

He was up to 0.7 WAR 40 games ago. He'll be back at 0.3 before he hits 1.

 

For shits-and-giggles.. let me rephrase.. if JPA does manage to put up a 1.5-2 WAR season and nothing alarming shows up in pitch framing numbers.. do you change your tune?

 

Also, last month it was fairly obviously that JPA wasn't going to be a 4-5 WAR C.. but this pace is more in line with possible reasonable progressions for a 3rd year player.

[connorp]

Yeah but one of your main points of reference is most likely BP which is calling him average this year

[Captain Adama]

Maybe if reliable framing numbers come out that say he's average. Everything I've heard suggests his framing has been like (-)10-20 runs per season.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the pitch framing numbers are exact and place him at say, -15 runs...his overall WAR with that incorporated would be at -0.8 or something right?

[Captain Adama]

Maybe if reliable framing numbers come out that say he's average. Everything I've heard suggests his framing has been like (-)10-20 runs per season.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the pitch framing numbers are exact and place him at say, -15 runs...his overall WAR with that incorporated would be at -0.8 or something right?

[GD]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the pitch framing numbers are exact and place him at say, -15 runs...his overall WAR with that incorporated would be at -0.8 or something right?

 

Pitch framing numbers on him from Mike Fast is -12 runs. That's over his career.

[IronLadle]

Can't believe you haven't been crucified for this yet. I've defended the guy all year which pains me because I don't really like him (seems arrogant).

 

Somebody on here adamantly stated not signing Russell Martin was a mistake and I thought 8.5 million for a guy who hit .211 last year, you can't be serious. Until AA does something stupid like re-sign J.P for over 8 million he's a bargain for the power he brings to the line-up and a decent option at a very thin position.

[Captain Adama]

Can't believe you haven't been crucified for this yet. I've defended the guy all year which pains me because I don't really like him (seems arrogant).

 

Somebody on here adamantly stated not signing Russell Martin was a mistake and I thought 8.5 million for a guy who hit .211 last year, you can't be serious. Until AA does something stupid like re-sign J.P for over 8 million he's a bargain for the power he brings to the line-up and a decent option at a very thin position.

 

His atrocious defense pretty much negates the power he does have. Plus, Martin still had a better OBP and power numbers just as good as JPA with plus defense behind the plate.

[Metallijay]

I hate JP, that is all.

[connorp]

Can't believe you haven't been crucified for this yet. I've defended the guy all year which pains me because I don't really like him (seems arrogant).

 

Somebody on here adamantly stated not signing Russell Martin was a mistake and I thought 8.5 million for a guy who hit .211 last year, you can't be serious. Until AA does something stupid like re-sign J.P for over 8 million he's a bargain for the power he brings to the line-up and a decent option at a very thin position.

 

Well, you quoted "avg".. so that's why you would get trounced on it. RM was unlucky in that department. Clearly an upgrade from JPA but you're assuming you could get a FA to come here and for two, at this point, it would be putting lipstick on a pig. Real big task ahead if the team doesn't turn it around. I do support bringing Thole up as the platoon. Very dumb not to and everyone would get to see what we have as an alternative. But if he's anything like 2012, that will be a harsh 7-9 following DeRosa.

[GD]

Yes. Fast had him at -13 runs (-1.3 WAR) over 2010 and 2011 (only 1 season of defensive innings - 1100). And there are rumblings that other analyses not released to the public have him even worse. Its kind of a take-it-or-leave-it number at this point, but I see his career ~0.75 fWAR/120 games being below replacement level in reality.

 

Is it really that out of realm of possibility that JP is the worst player in the league?

[Captain Adama]

Delmon Young?

 

Cue miltstar.

[GD]

Did something happen to Jeff Francoeur?

 

He's had decent seasons before though, it's at least possible he contributes even a replacement level season, which would still be greater than JPA's contributions.

 

Delmon Young?

 

Cue miltstar.

 

Very plausible.

[GD]

He could be one of the very worst regulars. It would be kind of awesome to see fangraphs adopt framing into their catcher D, and JPA's career fWAR drop to like -3 with no seasons above replacement-level.

 

The only thing is, though, wouldn't they then adjust their positional adjustment values to compensate for the added dimension of difficulty? That would probably give JPA some more leeway.

[saskjayfan]

Been a long time since I had a troll post.. but in seriousness, 1.6% BB rate and all.. JPA on pace in fWAR to provide starting level C production at his current salary of $500k/year, clearly leading the team in $/WAR as well.. as his pitch framing numbers this season don't suggest subtracting any value, fWAR has to be taken at face value.

 

Is it sustainable?.. or what will regress? Also, on a $120m payroll team that has gone completely bust, how much is actually this guy's fault?

 

JPA's defensive liabilities are grossly over exaggerated by many posters who hate the guy on this board. His defense on the whole has been better this year, especially when you consider 3 of his 6 passed balls came in his first ball game with Dickey pitching. The dude needs to improve his approach at the plate, but on the whole a .745 OPS isn't terrible considering his defense has improved over last year. He's capable of more offensively and needs to quit being so stubborn with his approach, but he's not far off where I expected him to be. Some of the pitching on the other hand is miles off where it should be. There are a lot of other players that should be held to account for their play before JPA.

[Captain Adama]

I love Jeff Francoeur, but only because he's a perfect testament to GMDM's idiocy. Against all odds, Francoeur puts up 2.6 fWAR in 2011 at the age of 27. Does GMDM trade him at the deadline? No. Of course not. He hands him a 2-year $13.5 million extension. Francoeur has since provided (-)2.1 fWAR.

 

Fool, GMDM didn't trade him cause he has such a great personality on and off the field. For f***s sake, the man is so great that he buys pizza for Oakland A's fans and plays catch with little kids in the upper decks of stadiums. You cannot understand such greatness.

[GD]

JPA's defensive liabilities are grossly over exaggerated by many posters who hate the guy on this board. His defense on the whole has been better this year, especially when you consider 3 of his 6 passed balls came in his first ball game with Dickey pitching. The dude needs to improve his approach at the plate, but on the whole a .745 OPS isn't terrible considering his defense has improved over last year. He's capable of more offensively and needs to quit being so stubborn with his approach, but he's not far off where I expected him to be. Some of the pitching on the other hand is miles off where it should be. There are a lot of other players that should be held to account for their play before JPA.

 

You seem like a raysjays alt, but you aren't, because I saw you on the old board a little. You were never this positive though. Weird. It's not just his passed ball we hate on, there is statistical evidence he cannot catch a baseball. Also, a .745 OPS is f***ing terrible, considering that his defense 'improving' to a point where he's not even replacement level is considered a positive.

[TheHurl]

I'll keep saying what I've said all year. He has to almost break the AL HR record for catchers (37) just to be a 1 WAR player. If some balls don't make it out of the park he's replacement level. If balls aren't leaving the park for extended times (we'll call this time when he's on the road) he's so beyond useless.

[GD]

Does anybody know where to find mean league wOBA by position?

 

Just a basic assumption here.

 

>fangraphs leaderboard

>sort by position

>export data to excel

>open in excel

> =average function under the wOBA column

 

 

That's just a guess.

[GD]

f*** all that noise. I want something I can google.

 

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=mlb+average+wOBA+by+position

 

No, but really, there's probably nothing available on Google. I'll do it, I'm assuming you want catcher. Just a sec.

[GD]

Does anybody know where to find mean league wOBA by position?

 

Average catcher wOBA for 2013 among all catchers with 50 PA is 0.314, rounded. JPA is actually above average by .12, but there are probably a lot of scrubs because I filtered in backups. There were 51 total catchers.

[GD]

If I up it to all qualified catchers, it's .317 on average, rounded, so JPA is above average in wOBA by .09 in catchers or so.

[GD]

Cool! In 2011 it was 0.307.

 

JPA is down to 0.318 after tonight. So we know what we all knew anyway - he's not even above-average with the bat.

 

Oh, he's down to .318? I saw .326 on fangraphs. So turns out among qualified catchers, he's .01 points above average on his wOBA.

 

His ISO is probably a fair amount above average, though.

[GD]

Yeah, but that does't really matter. It always blows my mind that a guy with an average bat for the position (0.309 career) and obviously terrible defense (15.1 fielding runs according to rSB and rPP career) and allegedly terrible framing gets to start every day. I mean, its not even like he can rake - he's just average with the bat.

 

It doesn't matter, but it'll make the casuals happy.

 

AA probably loves him because he leads the league in boyish smiles. It's just so sad. And then you think about Russell Martin, and it gets even sadder.

[magits]

his framing has look much better this year judging from the eye test.

[Stangstag]

Who thinks it would be a good idea to sign McCann next year?

[GD]

Who thinks it would be a good idea to sign McCann next year?

 

+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

 

He's exactly what we need, but we're not going to.

[Frenchsoup]

I really want to know what jpa says when he goes out to the mound every 5 pitches, it's usually after a pitch he stabs at.

[Frenchsoup]

Also JPA is batting a solid .186 (.186 obp as well) with risp with 1HR. Not bad for our 4/5 hitter!