GDT - Romero in Louisville version

[Angrioter]

Romero is done

[admin]

Really, this is just Ricky reverting to what he has been for most of his career. The period of aberration was the 2 or 3 years he had as a good MLB SP. Right now he's just being the same guy that he was through 5 years or whatever in the minors. He peaked sharply, but it was fleeting.

 

Followed him closely in the minors, when I Did the daily updates, he was pretty brutal. I remember they moved him up to AAA for no reason. I had faith he was going to turn it around (as I do pretty much all prospects). I remember he had a good start in AAA and I said I think he's going to turn it around now. After that, it seemed like a switch was turned on. Last year it seems that switched was turned off.

[oakville69]

The other thing that needs to be noted is he's a LOT worse than even last year.

 

In 2012 he had a bunch of good starts, by my count 8 where he kept the walks under control, got some strikeouts and didn't get lit up. This year every pitch is a battle to get it over the plate, let alone throw a quality strike.

 

You're right. I have never seen a pitcher who is supposedly physically OK, fall off a cliff in terms of performance.

 

I would be happier if the Jays disclosed that he had elbow problems. It's just unbelievable that he gets bombed in Louisville. Are the Jays tying to teach Ricky a lesson?

 

Leaving Ricky in the game for the three innings is similar to humiliating Patrick Roy when he allowed 8 goals against Detroit.

 

I wonder if Ricky Romero will request a trade to another team?

[declan_44]

You're right. I have never seen a pitcher who is supposedly physically OK, fall off a cliff in terms of performance.

 

I would be happier if the Jays disclosed that he had elbow problems. It's just unbelievable that he gets bombed in Louisville. Are the Jays tying to teach Ricky a lesson?

 

Leaving Ricky in the game for the three innings is similar to humiliating Patrick Roy when he allowed 8 goals against Detroit.

 

I wonder if Ricky Romero will request a trade to another team?

 

We'd be sending money along with him, but that would give us some disposable cash for next year

[oakville69]

So if you were AA, would you trade Romero at the end of the year if he stays in AAA all year?

 

On opening Day we had 6 relatively reliable MLB calibre pitchers.

 

Romero is pitching so poorly, that AA would probably be reluctant to bring him up again.

 

There must be something else to the Romero "loss of confidence" story that the media is unaware of.

 

Has this fall off ever happened to the Jays pitching staff before die to non physical issues?

[ElNik2013]

They made a mistake in bringing him up after one start in A ball, I don't care what they say. I mean they kept him from pitching even in the minors all of April and they deemed him 'ready' after 1 freakin' start in Dunedin? AA really has the media eating out of his hand, they don't question anything he says. Look at all the wrong timelines for the injuries to Lawrie, Bautista and Johnson.

[gruber92]

Swallow half his salary and get him out of here. There has to be a team in the NL that will take on half his salary and use him as a back of the rotation type.

[TheHurl]

There is zero harm in letting him pitch it out in AAA. If he can be semi-effective even for a month or two you can easily move him and get someone to eat the majority or all of the salary. Ervin Santana was $13M for one season and KC is paying $12M of it and they gave up a player. Santana's issues were less about control and more about HR's but still there are similarities.

[oakville69]

They made a mistake in bringing him up after one start in A ball, I don't care what they say. I mean they kept him from pitching even in the minors all of April and they deemed him 'ready' after 1 freakin' start in Dunedin? AA really has the media eating out of his hand, they don't question anything he says. Look at all the wrong timelines for the injuries to Lawrie, Bautista and Johnson.

 

Good point about the media accepting whatever AA says. I realize that Rogers media owns the Jays, but the handling of Romero is becoming as baffling as what they did with Travis Snider. I recall 2 years ago they said they would let Snider stay up all year then they optioned him back to AAA.

 

Why didn't Romero pitch in any spring games throughout April? Was he taking it easy?

[ElNik2013]

Good point about the media accepting whatever AA says. I realize that Rogers media owns the Jays, but the handling of Romero is becoming as baffling as what they did with Travis Snider. I recall 2 years ago they said they would let Snider stay up all year then they optioned him back to AAA.

 

Why didn't Romero pitch in any spring games throughout April? Was he taking it easy?

 

Most fans here know RR didn't pitch in the minors in April because he wasn't deemed ready yet. Desperate moves call for desperate measures and that's what they made, a desperate move. Now, that's not to say RR's issues would've been fixed, it's more about how the media defers to whatever AA says without taking him to task. Same with Snider, Rasmus and Lind have gotten quite the long leash whereas Snider didn't. Maybe Snider would've busted anyway, but the last 2-3 years were perfect to settle the issue. Anyway...

[oakville69]

I agree that it was a desperate move.

 

I agree that the media seems to do very little tough follow up on the Jays. Hiding Ricky in Dunedin was smart from the Jays perspective because no media outlet would send a reporter to Florida to find out why Ricky wasn't pitching.

 

The handling of Travis Snider was a travesty, especially when LF was held by Corey Patterson & Fred Lewis. Juan Rivera wasn't great either in LF.

 

The Jays weren't going to the playoffs in 2010 or 2011 or 2012, so why didn't they just let Snider play when he wasn't hurt? He was a top prospect for the Jays & showed flashes of power. He was also a pretty good defender. Snider deserves his own thread, but I wonder what the Jays are planning to do with Ricky.

 

My fear is that they will dump him & he will end up being a 4th starter or better in the national League. Jojo Reyes got steady work in the past, so Ricky could as well.

[Metallijay]

I agree that it was a desperate move.

 

I agree that the media seems to do very little tough follow up on the Jays. Hiding Ricky in Dunedin was smart from the Jays perspective because no media outlet would send a reporter to Florida to find out why Ricky wasn't pitching.

 

The handling of Travis Snider was a travesty, especially when LF was held by Corey Patterson & Fred Lewis. Juan Rivera wasn't great either in LF.

 

The Jays weren't going to the playoffs in 2010 or 2011 or 2012, so why didn't they just let Snider play when he wasn't hurt? He was a top prospect for the Jays & showed flashes of power. He was also a pretty good defender. Snider deserves his own thread, but I wonder what the Jays are planning to do with Ricky.

 

My fear is that they will dump him & he will end up being a 4th starter or better in the national League. Jojo Reyes got steady work in the past, so Ricky could as well.

 

The jays have been terrible at developing their prospects. Thus years of losing

[oakville69]

The jays have been terrible at developing their prospects. Thus years of losing

 

Well said. Jays inability to develop prospects has been a huge problem. I would set that issue up as a seperete thread.

[GD]

Juan Rivera wasn't great either in LF.

 

Juan Rivera was a useless piece of s***.

 

I would set that issue up as a seperete thread.

 

... Or... we could not.. because that's a retarded thread idea and it'd just be clutter

[Metallijay]

Juan Rivera was a useless piece of s***.

 

 

 

... Or... we could not.. because that's a retarded thread idea and it'd just be clutter

How so? The jays inability to develop their farm players is a major baseball topic on a jays forum , how would that a bad thread? it would be a better thread then a large portion that clutter the front page now.

[G-Snarls]

I think this is expected... and a good thing. Romero needs reps... the Jays (or Bisons) don't have to pull him.... let him get shelled and make in game adjustments.

 

Yep. I'm just glad he's taking his lumps for the Bisons instead of the Jays

[G-Snarls]

If Ricky's first 1-2 games had been good I'd have worried they'd start yo yo ing him much to soon again up and down.

[oakville69]

How so? The jays inability to develop their farm players is a major baseball topic on a jays forum , how would that a bad thread? it would be a better thread then a large portion that clutter the front page now.

 

Failed Jays prospects would be a good thread. When I started following the Jays in 2008, Snider was hyped like crazy. Cito & Farrell treated him like a leper. Even as a 4th OF bench bat, I would rather have let the Jays keep him.

[oakville69]

If Ricky's first 1-2 games had been good I'd have worried they'd start yo yo ing him much to soon again up and down.

 

 

If Ricky pitches as badly in Buffalo as he did on the road, the Bisons fans may demand he get sent to NH. )) I wish Ricky the best but I would like to know what is really going with him. Is it possible that he has an undisclosed physical injury?

[Iluvbjs]

I would not give up on Romero at all. I'd like to see him give a shot to that heavy ball throwing program that Delebar took part in though. He has fallen off a cliff, but so did Lester for about the same amount of time and he is back pitching very well.

 

I think Ricky can be fixed. His stuff is just too good to give up on. I don't know the stats, but the guy nearly led the league in dp's just two years back with an ERA under 3. He was dominant at times and I simply cannot believe that all that has simply just blown up and diminished. One thing I see here are a lot of people way too quick on the trigger. Eager to rid of a guy who has proven he has the stuff to win in this league. He needs help to find his way back and find his way back he will.

[over500]

So Romero said he doesn't belong in AA, and I guess he was right, but for the wrong reason. He belongs in a beer league.

[Arkadium]

So Romero said he doesn't belong in AA, and I guess he was right, but for the wrong reason. He belongs in a beer league.

 

Well said, the remarks of a very intelligent man has posted here today.

[GD]

I don't know the stats' date=' but the guy nearly led the league in dp's just two years back with an ERA under 3.[/quote']

 

He also had a 4.20 FIP lol.

[G-Snarls]

My worry with Ricky now is even if he gets mechanically better, and has a bunch if good starts in Buffalo, that he comes back up and just collapses under the pressure of the MLB microscope again. He's in a bad situation now.

[G-Snarls]

Contrast to Brett Cecil who was in pretty much the same situation. He's toughened up, pitches well under pressure and has become our second best reliever.

 

I'm just not sure Ricky has the toughness required to bounce back from this career low the way Cecil did.

[jaysblue]

Romero makes $7.5 million this year, and is owed $15.6 million for 2014 and 2015. I think (hope) AA would move him right now if someone was willing to take his salary. By the time the offseason rolls around, we're probably looking at moving him just to clear some of the money.

 

Call the Angels? lol.

[TheHurl]

Local boy, Cal St. Fullerton guy and no one drafts more CSF guys than the Angels. It's not that unreasonable to think they'd take a chance on him.

[Caper]

The Angels have no pitching... They have no farm system, they should absolutely be calling about RR.

[dineke]

The curse of Miss America...

[Iluvbjs]

He also had a 4.20 FIP lol.

 

So what. That number is easily skewed by a high walk or homerun total, which makes this stat completely irrelevant to me. For example, a pitcher that doesn't walk many and challenges hitters, will most likely give up a high number of homeruns...ala Jake Shields. Does he suck too by this standard? LMFAO.

 

Or a guy with modearte home runs against, but a normal than higher amount of walks.....that happens to be a groundball pitcher with 60% or more of his outs coming on the ground, will skew that number as well. Fact is that Ricky's WHIP, which is far more important and relelvant, was pretty damn good as were his GIDP numbers as a result of his ability to keep the ball on the ground in crucial situations. That is usually the result of either an excellent change up or a well located sinker. His numbers overall were excellent and they STILL would be if he was able to command his fastball and sinker down in the zone. Since he has lost that, his walk totals have went way up and his ability to throw the DP ball has gone out the window.

 

IMO, when he regains, or IF he regains command of the ONE pitch, he is right back where he was two years ago, plain and simple. He still has an above average curve and an excellent change that can easily get hitters out. Anyone who knows baseball at all knows that without fastball command, your game is pure junk.