Blue Jays release prospect Luis Martin

[dineke]

 

Lol wth to their scouts do? Paid vacation trips to the DR?

[Dylan]

 

Lol wth to their scouts do? Paid vacation trips to the DR?

 

 

Never heard of him, can't say i'm at all upset.

[GD]

I follow prospects a LOT and I can't say I've heard of him.

[dineke]

Does this kind of thing happen a lot, prospect signed for a bunch of money and never makes it out of the DSL?

[dineke]

Yeah, its pretty common. 350K isn't that big a bonus.

 

Ok good when I saw that tweet, I thought it was unique or something.

[Angrioter]

Yeah, its pretty common. 350K isn't that big a bonus.

 

 

This kid is a real joke

[GD]

This kid is a real joke

 

Why'd we sign him?

[RickJay]

Why'd we sign him?

Because teams sign lots of guys with some degree of promise, knowing man of them won't pan out. This is a routine occurrence. Every team does this many times a season.

[GD]

Because teams sign lots of guys with some degree of promise, knowing man of them won't pan out. This is a routine occurrence. Every team does this many times a season.

 

... Oi. I was asking why we would sign someone who, according to Ang, is a complete joke, i.e. not much of a degree of promise, instead of someone else, but sure, your condescending and moronic answer works too.

[Angrioter]

Why'd we sign him?

 

crappy scout

[GD]

crappy scout

 

#lovethisteam

[GeorgiaPeach]

So now Yankees will pick him up and turn him into the next Mark Mcguire

 

Mark who?

[RickJay]

... Oi. I was asking why we would sign someone who, according to Ang, is a complete joke, i.e. not much of a degree of promise, instead of someone else, but sure, your condescending and moronic answer works too.

They signed him because at the time he did have promise. Martin is a big kid, and they saw someone who had the raw potential to become a serious power hitter. But it didn't work out; he never developed the ability to hit home runs. After two years in which he showed no development, they cut their losses. It's impossible to know for sure how a 17- or 18-year-old kid will develop; some exceed your expectations, and for some, how good they are at 17 is how good they'll ever be.

 

Signing minor league free agents, and drafting kids beyond the first or second round, is a lottery. Some work, some don't. There's no other way to put it.

[GD]

They signed him because at the time he did have promise. Martin is a big kid, and they saw someone who had the raw potential to become a serious power hitter. But it didn't work out; he never developed the ability to hit home runs. After two years in which he showed no development, they cut their losses. It's impossible to know for sure how a 17- or 18-year-old kid will develop; some exceed your expectations, and for some, how good they are at 17 is how good they'll ever be.

 

Signing minor league free agents, and drafting kids beyond the first or second round, is a lottery. Some work, some don't. There's no other way to put it.

 

Well, this is just it, you think he showed promise and I/Angrioter didn't, simple as that.

 

Also, what makes you think that drafting kids in the first/second round isn't a lottery as well?

[HASHTAGYOLOSWAG]

Well, this is just it, you think he showed promise and I/Angrioter didn't, simple as that.

 

Also, what makes you think that drafting kids in the first/second round isn't a lottery as well?

 

What? You didn't hear about him before this so why are you saying "I didn't think he showed promise"? And Angrioter probably hadn't seen him 1/100th as much as the scout that signed him did. The scout obviously saw something worthy of a low risk contract and he had a chance to amount to something but just didn't. It happens a lot.

[RickJay]

Well, this is just it, you think he showed promise and I/Angrioter didn't, simple as that.

It's evident now that he didn't pan out, but what was your impression of him two years ago?

 

Also, what makes you think that drafting kids in the first/second round isn't a lottery as well?

It's chancy, but it's not the sheer lottery the latter rounds are. A first round pick is no guarantee, but the success rate is high enough that wasting your pick on someone who never pans out can be considered a pretty expensive failure. A ninth round pick that doesn't pan out, well, you don't really EXPECT them to, you're just filling your organization and hoping some of them develop. A first round pick that fails is a legitimate screwup. Half of all first rounders make the majors and a surprisingly high percentage become regular MLB ballplayers.

[GD]

What? You didn't hear about him before this so why are you saying "I didn't think he showed promise"? And Angrioter probably hadn't seen him 1/100th as much as the scout that signed him did. The scout obviously saw something worthy of a low risk contract and he had a chance to amount to something but just didn't. It happens a lot.

 

I said it because I value Angrioter's opinion on Dominican prospects and trust what he's saying on this. I'm also extremely unconfident (if that counts as a word) in Blue Jays scouts and have a fairly apparent bias against them. So, essentially, yeah, I'm bandwagoning on what Angrioter said.

 

Jesus f***, people, stop acting like I don't realize prospects bust. I'm just saying that there was most likely a better place to attribute that money to.

[GD]

Jays have the best scouting in the business. Even if it was a bad scout, he knew A LOT more than Angrioter does about this kid.

 

I respectfully disagree but am too exhausted to put up an argument which most likely would have been futile regardless, thus, I concede. All I have to say is that the Cardinals are better than everyone at everything, lol.

[GD]

There's really no evidence that this is anywhere close to being the case.

 

Rangers, Cardinals, Rays, all better off the top of my head.

[Angrioter]

I said it because I value Angrioter's opinion on Dominican prospects and trust what he's saying on this. I'm also extremely unconfident (if that counts as a word) in Blue Jays scouts and have a fairly apparent bias against them. So, essentially, yeah, I'm bandwagoning on what Angrioter said.

 

Jesus f***, people, stop acting like I don't realize prospects bust. I'm just saying that there was most likely a better place to attribute that money to.

 

Luis Martin was signed by his frame.

 

The Blue Jays complex is about 20 minutes from where I live, I always attend the games.

 

[Angrioter]

DSL stats

 

http://dominicansummerleague.com/index.php/estadisticas-diarias/san-pedro-de-macoris/toronto

[GD]

We don't focus on drafting the hit tool, which has hurt us - but is that a reflection of the scouts? I'm sure the scouts who are at the games put together scouting reports that are similar to those of any organization. And we have by far the most scouts. I don't think Cardinals scouts are better than Jays scouts, the front-office is just better at interpreting scouting reports.

 

There also hasn't been enough time to evaluate Latin scouting under AA, a lot of the high-profile guys we've signed are still really young.

 

A front office can only interpret these reports to an extent, though, they do have to be quality.

 

Luis Martin was signed by his frame.

 

The Blue Jays complex is about 20 minutes from where I live, I always attend the games.

 

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He's a big guy, but that much money betting on a frame isn't something I support.