2013 draft

[Abomination]

I'm okay with McGuire if Frazier and Meadows are both gone (unless something really good falls). I'd be okay with taking a shot on Manaea as well, especially if he'd sign below slot.

[GD]

I'm okay with McGuire if Frazier and Meadows are both gone (unless something really good falls). I'd be okay with taking a shot on Manaea as well, especially if he'd sign below slot.

 

Id definitely go Manea, but isn't he a Boras client?

[Abomination]

Id definitely go Manea, but isn't he a Boras client?

 

Yeah, you're right. So much for under slot, but it still could be worth punting the pick to next year if no one decent is available.

[GD]

Yeah, you're right. So much for under slot, but it still could be worth punting the pick to next year if no one decent is available.

 

I don't think it'll get to that point, there should be some quality talent around 10.

[Abomination]

We don't know anything about Manaea's medicals, there's no way to know if he'd be a good pick. I really hope one of Meadows/Frazier falls.

 

I believe it was a hip injury, so unless it's something likely to be chronic it shouldn't be too concerning. I'd probably be more worried if it was an arm.

[GD]

We're in a good spot at 10. With Bryant, Moran, McGuire, Frazier, and Meadows all expected to be top 10. I would expect one of them to fall to us.

 

Bryant will not fall to us and he's a Boras guy. Moran kinda sucks.

[theblujay]

KLaw has Moran going first to the Astros lol.

[GD]

KLaw has Moran going first to the Astros lol.

 

Luhnow's smarter than that.

[Boxcar]

Moran's a great prospect, but if the Astros see taking him as a bonus-pool-manipulation pick and not as the #1 talent, I don't think they take him.

 

It already looks like they made a bit of a mistake in not taking Buxton last year, they'll learn from that.

 

WAAAAAY too early to say that.

[Boxcar]

Keith Law says scouts have been telling him that about Buxton. Correa is still a stud though.

 

The hell would scouts know? Correa plays a harder position and still hasn't matured fully. He'll have power when he weighs more than 120 pounds. Also, Buxton's start was very BABIP driven, people putting way too much stock in a small sample.

[ace3113]

http://sbb.scout.com/2/1295349.html

 

Comment From GuestGuest:

Have any idea why the Jays prefer Crawford and McGuire to Meadows, as you somewhat eluded to in your last mock? And sticking with McGuire, what have you been hearing about his receiving/hitting?

 

Kiley McDaniel: Jays like up the middle tools and I think Meadows has less tools than Crawford and McGuire and has a good chance to end up on a corner. I think McGuire is the best of the three and it's coinflip for Meadows/Crawford. Forget the 1-1 buzz Meadows had earlier in the spring, it was false from day one and he's regressed some. Fans seemed consistently shocked their fav team picking in the top 10 might pass on him. Information is better now than it was then, trust when me/Callis/Law are hearing from teams...it's accurate 95% of the time when multiple teams tell it to us.

 

Comment From BretBret:

Saw a rumor, from Jim Callis, that Hunter Harvey (who is expected to sign cheap) is a new name connected to the Blue Jays. Keith Law also said today that the Jays aren't enamored with any of their options. Could you see them going the discount route with Harvey to save up for the later rounds? Would Harvey be too big of a reach at #10?

 

Kiley McDaniel: I've said all spring Harvey is a solid mid first rounder for me and will be an easy sign in that range and will get pushed up. Scouting directors keep suggesting him to me as possible fits in high picks as when a club doesn't like their options, they'll pocket some cash for later. Will take a bit longer to see how boards/rumors shake out for clubs to know if they like/don't like what's there, but this definitely passes the smell test for me. Could be a great move depending on how steep the discount is, especially since Trey Ball could be the guy the Jays end up with if McGuire & Meadows go in front of them and I'm not on him that high at all. I'd take DJ Peterson but sounds like Jays aren't nuts about him.

[GD]

Not the most encouraging news.

[Slade]

I haven't been keeping up as I should be but is there a consensus about whether Ball should pitch or hit? I watched some video on him pitching and was pretty impressed.

 

I'm not surprised the Jays "aren't nuts about Peterson", for some reason they don't like polished hitters with power.

[Captain Adama]

As great as it would be to see either Fazier or Meadows fall to the Jays, I would advise people against even semi-expecting it, I'm feeling this vibe ITT and people shouldn't set themselves up for disappointment.

 

Just enjoy the draft people, unless the Jays select a really stupid pick @ number 10 like Cavan Biggio.

[GD]

As great as it would be to see either Fazier or Meadows fall to the Jays, I would advise people against even semi-expecting it, I'm feeling this vibe ITT and people shouldn't set themselves up for disappointment.

 

Just enjoy the draft people, unless the Jays select a really stupid pick @ number 10 like Cavan Biggio.

 

I just want someone who can actually play the game of baseball and isn't just f***ing fast.

[TheHurl]

I really love Kiley McDaniel...but I couldn't justify renewing my Scout.com membership.

[Captain Adama]

I just want someone who can actually play the game of baseball and isn't just f***ing fast.

 

Well yes pretty much, I just felt like s***ing on a specific player lol

[TheHurl]

It already looks like they made a bit of a mistake in not taking Buxton last year, they'll learn from that.

 

Can't really judge it on that alone. It's really Correa, McCullers and Ruiz instead of Buxton. Ruiz is really struggling with the bat and the glove so it turns out he's not looking good.

[GD]

Ace, got anything on Hunter Harvey?

[ace3113]

Ace, got anything on Hunter Harvey?

 

Here you go.

 

 

 

Perfect Game:

 

Hunter Harvey

Position: RHP

Height: 6-3

Weight: 175

Bats/Throws: R-R

Birthdate: Dec. 9, 1994

High School: Bandys

City, State: Catawba, N.C.

Projected Draft Round: 1

 

To say that North Carolina high school right handed pitcher Hunter Harvey comes from a baseball family is like say that the Bush and Kennedy families have dabbled in politics. It doesn’t quite tell the whole story. But on the other hand, the Harvey Family is far from the conventional baseball family, such as the Griffey’s or the Boone’s, as it could be. The family patriarch is the late Stan Harvey, one of the most acclaimed and accomplished slow pitch fastball players of all-time and an inductee into the Slow Pitch Hall of Fame in 1996. The 6-foot-5, 240-pound left handed hitting Harvey hit 320 home runs one year playing for the famed Howard’s Furniture team and various published accounts have him between 3,000 and 5,000 career home runs. Harvey’s son Bryan also played baseball and went to UNC Charlotte for one year before leaving school and coming home to work and play softball. The story goes that one day Bryan was “volunteered” to pitch in a local legion game when there weren’t enough pitchers and threw so well that word got back to long-time Angels scout Alex Cosmidis, who asked Harvey to throw for him a few weeks later. When the then 21 year old Harvey threw 93 mph, Cosmidis signed him for $2,500. Three years later Harvey was in the big leagues and he went on to twice save over 40 games before his career ended early due to persistent elbow problems. Bryan Harvey’s first son, Kris, was a fifth round pick out of high school in 2002 and a second round pick out of Clemson in 2005 as an outfielder. He switched full-time to the mound in 2009 and pitched in AA in the Pirates organization in 2012. Which brings us to Bryan Harvey’s youngest son, Hunter Harvey, the 13th ranked player in the Perfect Game 2013 class rankings. Last Friday, we profiled California Central Valley right handed pitcher Carlos Salazar and how the the hard throwing native of Mexico was largely unknown to scouts before this past fall, an oversight they’ve been hustling to overcome. If anything, Hunter Harvey has an even shorter resume with the scouting community than Salazar did before the spring season began. His father made the conscious decision not to involve Harvey in travel ball or send him to many national level showcases, with one exception being the 2012 East Coast Professional Showcase. Harvey instead played on his local American Legion team with his high school teammates during the summers. He was well known to area scouts and his name circulated in national circles, including among the Perfect Game staff, but he simply rarely traveled outside his local area. Harvey has a slender 6-foot-3, 175-pound build that is loose and athletic, with plenty of room to fill out. He throws from sound delivery with a bit of a pause at the top to gather himself and has a very loose and fast arm from a high three-quarters arm slot. Harvey threw in the 90-94 mph range at the East Coast Pro last August but has been regularly up in the mid-90s this spring, including one heavily scouted outing when he was reportedly 94-97 steadily in the early innings. His delivery and arm angle enable him to power his fastball downhill into the bottom of the zone and he gets good life on his fastball to go with the angle. Even at that, Harvey’s best pitch might be his mid- to upper-70s curveball, a pitch that has outstanding spin and bite at times and is a potential plus/plus big league offering. He also has a changeup that he rarely uses in game situations. One of the primary drawbacks of the development path that Harvey has taken (only playing locally) is that he has never been tested against high level competition and has been able to completely dominate local hitters. Harvey went 7-0, 1.81 in 54 innings as a junior, with 106 strikeouts and only 15 walks. This spring he is an even more impressive 4-0, 0.52 with 60 strikeouts in only 26 innings. In addition, Harvey is hitting over .500 for his high school career and plays shortstop when not pitching. Another unconventional aspect of Harvey’s path as a prospect is that he has not made any type of college commitment and is unusually open and blunt about his thoughts on the draft at a time when most top prospects have been coached up to vague and coy. He was quoted in a recent article in the Charlotte Observer as saying, “I really just want to go straight to playing (professional) baseball and not have to play college ball. I just want to play baseball, and I feel lucky I’m ready.” Based on his performance at the 2012 East Coast Pro Showcase, Harvey was considered a good candidate to be a top two or three round pick but no one in the scouting community really knew for sure. But based on how Harvey has thrown this spring, despite very unseasonably cold weather in North Carolina, it seems far more likely that he will be a first round pick come June 6. Which would be a very different and much more conventional start to his career than his father experienced, that‘s for certain.

 

HUNTER HARVEY, rhp, Bandys HS, Catawba, N.C

 

As a potential first-round pick in June, Harvey is light years farther along as a pitching prospect at a comparable stage than his father Bryan, who went undrafted out of both high school and college, and yet emerged as a two-time all-star closer with 177 saves in a nine-year big-league career with the California Angels and Florida Marlins. For all his talent, Harvey was largely unknown to national-level scouts as recently as a year ago as he chose not to partake in travel-team competition or be a regular on the showcase circuit, but he has always shown considerable promise with his projectable 6-foot-3 frame, clean delivery and confident, aggressive approach to pitching. His emergence this spring into elite-level status has been quick and dramatic, and stems mainly from an increase in his arm speed. Harvey has added significant velocity to his fastball, from a steady 90-92 mph last summer, to 93-95, topping occasionally at 97, and his curveball has evolved into a second plus pitch with its sharp, downer action in the high-70s, low-80s. He has used his changeup on only rare occasions this spring, but it is another solid offering with its fading action. Unlike Harvey’s older brother Kris, who was a fifth-rounder out of Bandys High in 2002 and chose to pursue a college career at Clemson before emerging as a second-rounder three years later, Hunter has no interest in attending college and has made it clear that he wants to pursue an immediate career at the pro level.

[ace3113]

Keith Law, ESPN:

 

Hunter Harvey, RHP, 6-3 175, NC.

 

Harvey, the son of former Angels reliever Bryan Harvey, is a very projectable and very signable prep right-hander (he hasn't committed to a college) who shows solid stuff already but could develop into someone who pitches at or near the top of a rotation.

 

Although there have been rumors of him hitting 97 this spring, he's usually been more 90-94, maybe flashing a 95 or two, and he tries to be aggressive with the pitch side-to-side even though he doesn't have the command to do so effectively yet.

 

His out pitch is a 75-77 mph curveball with variable shape, some with real two-plane break and depth and others that are more vertical, although it's unclear whether that's deliberate. There's no step-over to Harvey's stride -- he almost drags his lead leg forward, landing on the third base side of the mound, cutting himself off and limiting how much arm speed he can get from that forward motion. He gets way out over his front side when releasing the ball, and despite the landing spot, his arm slot is high enough that he doesn't end up throwing across his body. Get him landing towards the plate and leading more with the front leg and his command and perhaps velocity will improve in short order.

 

Harvey has room to add 20 pounds over the next few years, and could end up sitting in the mid-90s. He'll need to develop his command and find a third pitch as well, so his probability is low, but the potential is good enough to make him a first-round talent.

 

Present/Future

Fastball 50 60 -- --

FB Movement 45 45 -- --

Command 35 50 -- --

Control 40 55 -- --

Curveball 55 65 -- --

Changeup -- -- -- --

Feel for Pitching 50 55

[Laika]

Latest BA mock by Callis has the Jays taking.... Clint Frazier

 

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[GD]

Thanks for the links ace. He doesn't seem like a bad pick, really.

 

Latest BA mock by Callis has the Jays taking.... Clint Frazier

 

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[ace3113]

If we somehow get Frazier I will cry with tears of joy.

[Laika]

If we somehow get Frazier I will cry with tears of joy.

 

It's boggling my mind right now that he's even in the picture. The highest you even see him going in recent mocks is like, 7th to Boston. I've seen him as low as 12th.

 

It could actually happen.... and it would be GLORIOUS.

[GD]

Dat bat speed.

[Abomination]

It could actually happen.... and it would be GLORIOUS.

 

It would be Glorious if he's available AND WE TAKE HIM. In fairness though, I think Law did state that he also has a high chance of being a AAAA player as well (or something to that effect). I'd still love for us to take the chance.

[Angrioter]

Baseball America last Mock

 

http://ht.ly/lBo7g

 

Jays - Clint Frazier

[TheHurl]

I think the Jays should be in on Alex Buccilli

 

http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/bSqVQ5zBAOiZHrcfhYHgDA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/sptusmlbexperts/weirdbattingstance.jpg

[Abomination]

I think the Jays should be in on Alex Buccilli

 

What the heck is that stance!