The Prospect/Minor Leagues Thread

[Boxcar]

Dude. You know jack s*** apparently, I don't fault you for this, especially if you follow most on this board

 

Said by the guy who said what is in my sig. You can't make this s*** up.

[Boxcar]

You assumed the stats were proving your opinion while others tried to point out the stats were misleading for a possible multitude of reasons. Yet instead of conceding the fact that nobody knows for sure you decided to s*** on the opinions that differed from yours.

 

No I didn't.

 

Did you guys not learn reading comprehension as children?

[Daniel Labude]

Said by the guy who said what is in my sig. You can't make this s*** up.

 

What's wrong with what I said...that's what make you look like a jackass. I stated a fact that Sanchez had given up less runs per game than Synder....but I guess your homerism for Synder blinds you to the stats.......lol

[Boxcar]

What's wrong with what I said...that's what make you look like a jackass. I stated a fact that Sanchez had given up less runs per game than Synder....but I guess your homerism for Synder blinds you to the stats.......lol

 

omg

[Daniel Labude]

omg

 

No comeback...no explanation...just childish remarks

[nmrch]

Dude. You know jack s*** apparently, I don't fault you for this, especially if you follow most on this board

 

If knowing things is having the kind of opinions you have than i am proud to be ignorant.

[Jimcanuck]

What's wrong with what I said...that's what make you look like a jackass. I stated a fact that Sanchez had given up less runs per game than Synder....but I guess your homerism for Synder blinds you to the stats.......lol

 

Just to be clear.... IMO Thor > Sanchize at this point, may change in future

[Boxcar]

No comeback...no explanation...just childish remarks

 

This has been explained to you ad nauseum. You don't acknowledge it due to being a massive homer, incapable of reason. What could I possibly say other than remark how dumb what you just wrote sounds?

[nmrch]

Oh come on. The same guys pumping Snider based on his MiLB #'s are the same ones that said Yan who? Objective evaluation of MiLB stats is a fools errand.

 

No one said statistical analysis has a 100% hit rate, that doesn't mean we throw reason and methodical analyses out of the window. Weather forecasts are wrong all the time but that doesn't mean we dont have a good idea of what tomorrow will be like

[Daniel Labude]

Just to be clear.... IMO Thor > Sanchize at this point, may change in future

 

Might be....I see them as similar at this stage of their careers but the statophiles don't know how baseball is evaluate as a whole and that no one opinion is unanimous

[nmrch]

Did someone just say that Syndergaard and Mr "1.05 K to BB ratio" are on the same level? Please tell me i'm hallucinating, that level of stupidity is not possible

[Mikeleelop]

Comment From Bret

 

Are "less aggressive" delivery and "more upright and more crossfire" good things? I'm used to hearing about Aaron Sanchez' delivery becoming "too upright".

 

Kiley McDaniel

 

I hate crossfire except as a last ditch effort you do in AA or higher to make stuff play better. I also like aggressive deliveries, like what Hoffman used to do, more than upright and stiffer, tall-and-fall type deliveries. Some teams/scouts disagree with these opinions. There's pros and cons and examples on both sides and no one player validates or invalidates these opinions.

[Daniel Labude]

No one said statistical analysis has a 100% hit rate, that doesn't mean we throw reason and methodical analyses out of the window. Weather forecasts are wrong all the time but that doesn't mean we dont have a good idea of what tomorrow will be like

 

No...you combine that with knowledge of the past, how the person looks during the game, what they could be working on and 1000s of other factors to get the best analysis you can. Some on here (not saying you) ignore everything other than the stats

[Jimcanuck]

No one said statistical analysis has a 100% hit rate, that doesn't mean we throw reason and methodical analyses out of the window. Weather and climate forecasts are occasionally wrong but that doesn't we don't have a good idea of what will happen.

 

Of course. I take issue with your use of 'objective' in evaluating MiLB stats. It's just not possible, particularly in the case of Hoffman. You can evaluate Hoffman's stats all you want.... but it would be useless.

 

Boyd is top 25 in MiLB if you go by stats.

[Jimcanuck]

Might be....I see them as similar at this stage of their careers but the statophiles don't know how baseball is evaluate as a whole and that no one opinion is unanimous

 

No they aren't similar at all. One has above average command, the other has poor command. In terms of quality of arsenal they are similar. But command is the most important skill for a pitcher.

[DuckDuckGose]

That's kind of what my point is usually with him. Stats don't tell the whole story.

 

You're allowed to have different opinions, it's not a matter of right or wrong here.

[Daniel Labude]

You're allowed to have different opinions, it's not a matter of right or wrong here.

 

Lmao, have you read this thread

[DuckDuckGose]

I have and it makes me cringe on both sides.

[nmrch]

Of course. I take issue with your use of 'objective' in evaluating MiLB stats. It's just not possible, particularly in the case of Hoffman. You can evaluate Hoffman's stats all you want.... but it would be useless.

 

Boyd is top 25 in MiLB if you go by stats.

 

WE'll agree to disagree i guess

 

Oh BTW, after you penalize Boyd for age he isn't a super prospect. Statistical analysis is about more than just the players numbers, you also look at age, competition, ballpark etc

[Captain Adama]

Of course. I take issue with your use of 'objective' in evaluating MiLB stats. It's just not possible, particularly in the case of Hoffman. You can evaluate Hoffman's stats all you want.... but it would be useless.

 

Boyd is top 25 in MiLB if you go by stats.

 

The thing is, it's fine if the guy has the stuff and tools, but the tools narrative will only get you so far. You get some leeway, like what Hoffman is getting so far. I've yet to see anyone completely s*** on him. But if he keeps pitching like this in the future, f*** it, I don't care if you have all the stuff in the goddamn world, I wanna see results. That's what lots of these guys are alluding to. Plus stats by themselves don't tell the whole context, I'm not gonna get excited by a 26 year old in high A on his 3rd go round putting up good numbers.

[KingKat]

Aaron Sanchez and Jeff Hoffman are the same age. I'm not trying to make a point or anything with that. It's just an interesting fact.

[Mikeleelop]

Aaron Sanchez and Jeff Hoffman are the same age. I'm not trying to make a point or anything with that. It's just an interesting fact.

 

but you have made a very good point that many ignore when they s*** on the hopelessness of Aaron Sanchez

[DuckDuckGose]

but you have made a very good point that many ignore when they s*** on the hopelessness of Aaron Sanchez

 

He's closer in age to Daniel Norris than Aaron Sanchez.

[IronLadle]

but you have made a very good point that many ignore when they s*** on the hopelessness of Aaron Sanchez

 

For a 22 year old Sanchez looks pretty good

[KingKat]

He's closer in age to Daniel Norris than Aaron Sanchez.

 

The observation was that they are all 22 (all three of them actually).

[DuckDuckGose]

The observation was that they are all 22 (all three of them actually).

 

Ya, it's a good observation. They are all in a good spot for their age though...

[KingKat]

Ya, it's a good observation. They are all in a good spot for their age though...

 

There are positives for all of them. Norris has gone through a rough patch but it's really his first one and probably a necessary one for him to harness his stuff. Sanchez seemed to be making strides before the DL stint and he probably will make an effective reliever if nothing else. Hoffman is the great unknown but the first step was coming back healthy and that's out of the way.

[TwistedLogic]

[burlingtonbandit]

The thing is, it's fine if the guy has the stuff and tools, but the tools narrative will only get you so far. You get some leeway, like what Hoffman is getting so far. I've yet to see anyone completely s*** on him. But if he keeps pitching like this in the future, f*** it, I don't care if you have all the stuff in the goddamn world, I wanna see results. That's what lots of these guys are alluding to. Plus stats by themselves don't tell the whole context, I'm not gonna get excited by a 26 year old in high A on his 3rd go round putting up good numbers.

 

I agree. Its not like I think Hoffman won't ever be successful, just that he hasn't been successful so far and it is a little concerning. Kiley's posts are interesting to hear but I'm not sure why the Jays would tell him to "pitch to contact" because ultimately that strategy won't be successful. Seems Kiley doesn't like what the Jays are doing to his delivery either.

[Mikeleelop]

I thought Castro was 3 weeks. He hasn't pitched for 3.5 weeks and there's been no mention of him

 

Any word?