A Very Darrelly Dynasty League

[Laika]

I think the bigger problem is periodically scanning the farms to check if people haven't promoted those that need to be.

 

It wouldn't need to be proactive. We'd just use the tattle-tale system, and maybe peruse farms around draft time (which I already did in DDL).

[BTS]

I can't think of an obvious reason to keep the no demotions rule.

 

The people with s***** farms will use the extra space as expanded MLB roster depth. Do we think that is an issue? Maybe? We can make it so once a player is over the IP/PA threshold they can't be demoted (to solve the hoarding problem).

 

We can still keep the rule where MiLB players are not force-promoted until they pass the PA/IP thresholds. Is that feasible in Fantrax or will the system f*** up their transactions once the green flag is gone?

 

Like abom says, the only way to enforce the PA/AP thresholds would be periodic scans - as far as I'm aware there's no functionality for that in fantrax. Transactions aren't restricted if you have a player without a green flag on the farm, so nobody would be forced by the system to promote someone. They'd just be prevented from demoting a promoted prospect who is still in the majors in real life.

 

BTW, I also periodically check farms in BORED and DDL. It takes a a minute or two. Generally we're obsessive enough about baseball to do a quick eye test for guys who are likely approaching the limits.

[Laika]

Okay, the one reason to be hesitant is that teams with s***** farms could just stuff their farm with prospects who hit AA in the prior year, at any time. That's a problem and very much changes the farm dynamic of our league. These tend to be decent prospects based on our league depth.

[Abomination]

It wouldn't need to be proactive. We'd just use the tattle-tale system, and maybe peruse farms around draft time.

 

Is there actually a need to? I mean, owned players won't be floating in the general pool anymore. What purpose does the mandatory promotions actually serve? I can't really see it being abused much.

[BTS]

Okay, the one reason to be hesitant is that teams with s***** farms could just stuff their farm with prospects who hit AA in the prior year, at any time. That's a problem and very much changes the farm dynamic of our league. These tend to be decent prospects based on our league depth.

 

It also changes the dynamic of the waiver draft. I don't necessarily think it's a bad change, it it adds value to a typically shallow draft, but it does change things.

[Laika]

Is there actually a need to? I mean, owned players won't be floating in the general pool anymore. What purpose does the mandatory promotions actually serve? I can't really see it being abused much.

 

Maybe you're right here. The MiLB draft might be all the incentive owners need to promote active players.

[Laika]

It also changes the dynamic of the waiver draft. I don't necessarily think it's a bad change, it it adds value to a typically shallow draft, but it does change things.

 

If we go to free movement between MLB and farm, I think I would change the FA eligibility rules to be more strict. Maybe:

A) must have hit AAA, or

must have been promoted to MLB 25 man roster in real life at some point previously, or

C) current AA rule or new AAA rule during waiver draft only, every other time use , and teams can only take two no-MLB-experience players in the waiver draft.

[Abomination]

Okay, the one reason to be hesitant is that teams with s***** farms could just stuff their farm with prospects who hit AA in the prior year, at any time. That's a problem and very much changes the farm dynamic of our league. These tend to be decent prospects based on our league depth.

 

Do we have an option in Fantrax to prevent adding players with a green flag? Maybe just change the AA rule, in exchange for eliminating the mandatory promotion threshold and allowing demotions.

[BTS]

Do we have an option in Fantrax to prevent adding players with a green flag? Maybe just change the AA rule, in exchange for eliminating the mandatory promotion threshold and allowing demotions.

 

That's a paid option. Our current settings are all available via an unpaid league, so I don't think it would be worth it.

[The Cats Ass]

That's a paid option. Our current settings are all available via an unpaid league, so I don't think it would be worth it.

 

Seems like can auto drop players after a certain threshold too. But is also a paid option.

[Jimcanuck]

If we go to free movement between MLB and farm, I think I would change the FA eligibility rules to be more strict. Maybe:

A) must have hit AAA, or

must have been promoted to MLB 25 man roster in real life at some point previously, or

C) current AA rule or new AAA rule during waiver draft only, every other time use , and teams can only take two no-MLB-experience players in the waiver draft.

 

To simplify things, I suggest:

 

A) must have hit MLB (put significant promotions on waivers)

any player that has hit AA or above eligible in waiver draft

 

As far as green flag eligibility limits, similar to Abom I suggest no restrictions. Players that are still being demoted after exceeding the current thresholds are likely cuts at MiLB draft time anyway, if not prior.

[The Cats Ass]

I likely won't do it any time soon. Would be real nice if someone else did.

 

What did the lottery do?

[Spanky99]

What did the lottery do?

 

Hasn't been done.

[The Cats Ass]

Sounds like poor planning

[Spanky99]

Does anyone know of a board member who would want silverbum's team?

 

Also, in my absence as available commissioner Boxcar, Dinger, and P2F will be co-head-commissioners, jointly and severally, with all powers that I have as supreme leader save and except the ability to make unilateral and arbitrary decisions of high importance.

 

Some important notes and rules:

 

1. Add your players. You can add anyone you own in Yahoo. Add your spreadsheet prospects to your MiLB roster.

 

2. You can trade now if you want but keep track of it yourselves if there are picks involved. We need to transfer the MiLB picks to Fantrax.

 

3. The 2020 waiver draft will be as normal. The spreadsheet will be used for those picks. We might change the waiver draft format for 2021.

 

4. No adds during the offseason. Same as always.

 

5. We will use same day add/drops.

 

6. You can use the Fantrax polling system if you want to table a vote. Wait a bit for everyone to get in there.

 

7. We are a free league for now. If we want to switch to paid for some reason, we will figure out the money. Boxy offered to front it and people can pay him back.

 

8. The NA slot in Yahoo is becoming a 13th slot on the MiLB roster during the season. Tweaks might be needed here to make it easy to see / enforce. But see the new "Constitution" or rules as written in Fantrax about this.

 

9. In the spring we cut to 20 MLB and 12 MiLB players as usual.

 

10. Draft order is now the 5 pick lottery with the rest being determined by regular season standings, with the exception that the league playoff champion picks 20th (last).

 

11. If anybody is not listed with commissioner access in Fantrax and would like it given to them, just ask and it's yours.

 

12. If anyone wants to take over as the primary commissioner please let me know. I would prefer to let someone else be the big cheese going forward if possible.

 

13. Make a political post in the league - Jail.

 

14. Threaten to quit the league - Jail.

 

15. Complain about the app - Jail.

 

16. Complain about Fantrax at all - Jail.

 

17. We need another owner.

 

18. Position eligibility rules are slightly more strict than Yahoo. If you have a specific player who would qualify for a position in Yahoo but doesn't in Fantrax, for 2020 only, we will manually fix it. Let us know in March.

 

I'm willing to take a 50/50 role with you

 

E: if that's acceptable.

 

I've gone ahead and given almost everyone commissioner access (you can only appoint 15).

 

Please feel free to click around and make sure s*** is set up correctly. I will not be performing any commissioner duties for quite some time.

 

Don't break anything.

 

Yes Boxy, we will make changes to the handling of minor league players as needed. I did change the written rules a bit when moving them over to Fantrax - did a quick re-write so most of it makes sense in the new environment.

 

I likely won't do it any time soon. Would be real nice if someone else did.

 

I tagged you and Boxy, so those guys can see who you've appointed. Could you do the lotteries for the MILB picks?

[Laika]

Draft orders are done. I emailed Spanky and Abom the results as they were generated.

 

MiLB:

 

1 spanky

2 njh

3 torontofan

4 abomination

5 orgfiller

 

Waiver:

 

1 njh

2 spanky

3 torontofan

4 abomination

5 orgfiller

[Laika]

IMPORTANT CHANGES TO MINOR LEAGUE ROSTER MANAGEMENT AND ASSOCIATED RULES

 

Background:

 

- In Yahoo we did not allow prospect demotions. The main reason being it would have been a pain to ask the commissioners to process them.

- In Yahoo any player who played in AA the year prior could be added. With no demotions and one NA slot the effect of this was that a small number of near-MLB prospects would be owned in Yahoo.

- In Yahoo we used mandatory prospect promotion thresholds. The initial theory was to prevent prospect hoarding by good teams and to promote turnover/transactions. The main effect seemed to just be the rare punitive effect on an owner who forgot to promote.

 

New Substrate:

 

- Fantrax opens up easy movement of players to the minors, allowing demotions.

- Demotions would clash with our AA eligibility rule, allowing any team to stuff their minor league roster with decent prospects from free agency.

- The mandatory prospect promotion thresholds don't seem to really matter. Teams will probably promote or trade good prospects and cut bad ones naturally.

 

New Rules:

 

- We will have unregulated promotion and demotion from/to the MiLB roster (in Fantrax you can't demote unless they have a green flag; in Fantrax if an MiLB player loses their flag it does not lock your roster).

- Waiver draft eligibility will be changed to only include prospects who played in AAA in the previous year (or a prior year).

- Free agent eligibility will be changed to only include players with MLB service time. Players making their debut will be eligible to be added at 8PM EST on the day following their first active day on the 25 man roster. If desired, an owner can request before the 8PM EST eligibility time that a commissioner place a debuting player on "debut waivers." A commissioner who places a player on debut waivers has to announce it in this thread. There is no general obligation to use debut waivers, which is an accommodation for owners who can't compete for an 8PM EST add, but there is an obligation for commissioners to respond to requests for debut waivers.

- The mandatory prospect promotion thresholds will be no more.

- I had previously added a 13th MiLB slot to replace the NA slot. I have decided to reduce the MiLB slots to 12 again in light of all of this.

 

I think all of this is sensible but I am still open to comments, particularly about the debut waivers thing.

[Spanky99]

Draft orders are done. I emailed Spanky and Abom the results as they were generated.

 

MiLB:

 

1 spanky

2 njh

3 torontofan

4 abomination

5 orgfiller

 

Waiver:

 

1 njh

2 spanky

3 torontofan

4 abomination

5 orgfiller

 

[Jimcanuck]

 

A very even pool for next year's MiLB draft.

[z3r0s]

I'm in need of some OF's. Hit me up

[The Cats Ass]

Anyone looking for a SS?

 

Didi, Swanson, and Baez(if someone wants to pay up) is available.

[TheHurl]

Can we get acknowledgement that you read the rules (I just thanked Laika's post). I don't want to hear any "I didn't know about the rule change" ********.

[Orgfiller]

I'm in need of some OF's. Hit me up

 

I have a ton of extra outfielders, at least one of which is good!

 

For anyone interested (this includes you z3r0s although I'm not entirely sure how we line up), I will be moving/looking to move at least two of Bryan Reynolds, Lourdes Gurriel, Brandon Nimmo, Nick Castellanos, Jose Martinez (and Brian Goodwin too if you actually would give anything for him). 3B is a priority, with all of 1B, 2B, SP and closers being positions that I'd like to improve on.

[Laika]

Is that a three way trade??? Fantrax benefits!

[Jimcanuck]

I'm in need of some OF's. Hit me up

 

Have 1 of Pollock, Mercado, or Aquino available

[The Cats Ass]

Is that a three way trade??? Fantrax benefits!

 

And all prospects processed themselves.

[BTS]

Imagine the effort to process that on the sheet!

[Laika]

Okay, I made all of the posted changed to the league rules but I realized we should probably still have a promotion threshold at the February deadline. It will probably never matter.

 

The only time mandatory promotion thresholds will apply is at the February cut deadline. The thresholds have been increased to 1000 PA and 50 (GS + half of relief appearances). The point of this is to eliminate owners using the MiLB roster as a loophole to keep an additional MLB player, if that player happened to have a green flag near the end of the season and was therefore able to be demoted.

[The Cats Ass]

Draft orders are done. I emailed Spanky and Abom the results as they were generated.

 

MiLB:

 

1 spanky

2 njh

3 torontofan

4 abomination

5 orgfiller

 

Waiver:

 

1 njh

2 spanky

3 torontofan

4 abomination

5 orgfiller

 

I think MiLB picks are updated correctly.

[BTS]

I think MiLB picks are updated correctly.

 

Who set the order? It doesn't match the order in the Draft tab of the league setup options, which is weird.