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Krylian

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They are, but his advanced stats crush the hate.

 

He an excellent puck mover and a his blunders are bad. Problem is, people take one side or the other and won't accept that Gardiner is what he is. You're gonna get some great puck movement but when he makes a mistake, it's bad. He can be both good and bad, folks.

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He an excellent puck mover and a his blunders are bad. Problem is, people take one side or the other and won't accept that Gardiner is what he is. You're gonna get some great puck movement but when he makes a mistake, it's bad. He can be both good and bad, folks.

 

I can agree with that.

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He an excellent puck mover and a his blunders are bad. Problem is, people take one side or the other and won't accept that Gardiner is what he is. You're gonna get some great puck movement but when he makes a mistake, it's bad. He can be both good and bad, folks.

 

Dangerous in both ends of the ice. Not a guy you want on the ice in the 3rd period of game 7.

 

Brian McCabe was another guy with good stats who made big blunders again and again.

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Dangerous in both ends of the ice. Not a guy you want on the ice in the 3rd period of game 7.

 

Brian McCabe was another guy with good stats who made big blunders again and again.

 

Wrong... recency bias, game 7 against Boston.

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He an excellent puck mover and a his blunders are bad. Problem is, people take one side or the other and won't accept that Gardiner is what he is. You're gonna get some great puck movement but when he makes a mistake, it's bad. He can be both good and bad, folks.

 

Sounds like a shortstop with great range who makes a lot of errors because he touches the ball more than other shortstops.

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Sounds like a shortstop with great range who makes a lot of errors because he touches the ball more than other shortstops.

 

Except this shortstop can make bad errors even when he doesn't touch the ball.

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Sounds like a shortstop with great range who makes a lot of errors because he touches the ball more than other shortstops.

 

No he doesn't have great range. Gardiner has slowed down so much he gets beat all the time.

 

A baseball comparable would be Miguel Andujar in his decline years.

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The hate for Gardiner is mind-blowing. Leafs fans are garbage.

 

I don't hate Gardiner. He is what he is. Not the first defenceman with defensive shortcomings.

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Focusing on his "defensive shortcomings" does amount to hating on him if you're not willing to admit that he's a good player all things considered.

 

You said above you would not want him on the ice in the third period of a game 7.

 

Basically, your judgment of him is clouded by an irrational focus on whatever "defensive shortcomings" you perceive.

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Focusing on his "defensive shortcomings" does amount to hating on him if you're not willing to admit that he's a good player all things considered.

 

You said above you would not want him on the ice in the third period of a game 7.

 

Basically, your judgment of him is clouded by an irrational focus on whatever "defensive shortcomings" you perceive.

 

Nah my judgement on him is he is a flawed player. For which there is plenty of video evidence.

 

If Gardiner is traded before the deadline for a pick, which I hope the Leafs will be a better team. Won't have to watch a d-man with multiple passing options instead try to skate through the other team, resulting in a giveaway and almost the tie goal in a 5-4 game.

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If Gardiner is traded before the deadline for a pick, which I hope, the Leafs will be a better team.

 

The hate for Gardiner is mind-blowing. Leafs fans are garbage.

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The hate for Gardiner is mind-blowing. Leafs fans are garbage.

 

If Gardiner wasn’t on the Leafs other fans would be salivating at the chance of signing him to a contract this July. He’s an offensive d-man that moves the puck well which is a plus in today’s NHL.

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That's overbearing.

 

It's true though. If you're gonna compare baseball to hockey... You can make a ton of mistakes not touching the puck, like poor coverage. It's not just coughing up the puck like bobbling a grounder.

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If Gardiner wasn’t on the Leafs other fans would be salivating at the chance of signing him to a contract this July. He’s an offensive d-man that moves the puck well which is a plus in today’s NHL.

 

He'll get $6m+

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If Gardiner wasn’t on the Leafs other fans would be salivating at the chance of signing him to a contract this July. He’s an offensive d-man that moves the puck well which is a plus in today’s NHL.

 

The reason why he gets so much hate is due to his tendency to make mind-numbing decisions with the puck, even though he does a really good job with the puck most other times. As Steve Dangle puts it, there's Good Jake and Bad Jake. lol

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The reason why he gets so much hate is due to his tendency to make mind-numbing decisions with the puck, even though he does a really good job with the puck most other times. As Steve Dangle puts it, there's Good Jake and Bad Jake. lol

 

I agree with some of that...but I also put a fair bit of the blame on Zaitsev. Those two are awful together.

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I still don't see this?

 

Well...I can't help you with that. He has zero confidence with the puck in his own zone and takes too long making decisions.

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Well...I can't help you with that. He has zero confidence with the puck in his own zone and takes too long making decisions.

 

I see a guy whom's defensively sound, gives up his body and takes the body a lot.

 

Perspective is something, I hope you don't decide on contract.

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