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Pioneer League will have sudden-death HR derby to replace extra innings https://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/2162163 If you hate shootouts in hockey, wonder how you feel about this loll
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Agreed, stupid for sure. Before it was expected starters would usually go deep into games. That's all changed and so should how the W-L stat is calculated or it could even be replaced by a Win probability stat. Baseball is a tough sport to change anything but you can slowly see it happen. Speaking of which LOL Pioneer League will have sudden-death HR derby to replace extra innings https://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/2162163
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I am actually trying to get caught up to speed on this as we speak. I don't like sounding dumb in discussions which has happened a few times on here it seems lol. Unless you can replace the W-L record with something similar, it will remain in the game. People like to know what are their teams chances are when a particular player plays. They could be kept for every player and they kind of are unofficially. We've all heard the "team is 15-5 when play X players." Very stupid stat on its own for sure but with gambling blowing up, casual gamblers/fans just want the dumb downed version of what they can expect the outcome of the game to be. Unfortunately, the people who place betting lines use more complicated algorithms than that lol.
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Agree fully. If he supported the win loss record with other useful information, he might have a point. Pointing only to the record is a joke lol.
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Exactly. That's all I'm saying lol. We can dig out flaws with so many stats out there. Maybe the catchers suck at calling games or the pitching coach suck at making adjustments and they're influencing whatever pitching stat you have a hard on for. Or maybe the score keeper keeps giving out hits for clear errors and they're altering the stat tracking process all together. All I said was to keep the W-L record because it does hold some value. Now I'm not debating that it's the most important one out there at all. It is why WAR is slowly creeping into mainstream talk because it's just 1 stat that kind of tells you the overall value of the player. Casuals aren't mathematicians who want to dive into a bunch of numbers to realize their value. Keep It Simple Stupid lol.
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I didn't say that the W-L stat should be the be all end all. There are outliers with majority of stats being used and that is why we don't look at only one since there will always be outliers that need to be accounted for. I am good with a Win probability stat replacing W-L records but everyone already knows it's a team sport when looking at those numbers. While I was typing, I fully knew Degrom and Hernandez were players who looked worse because of the W-L record. However, these players are in the minority and I'm sure you would see a lot more players with a positive W-L record reflecting who they are as pitchers. This is why we should look at all other stats to determine whether the W-L is indicative of the pitcher.
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Unlike other sports, starting pitchers only take part in 1 of 5 games usually. That's their way of showing off their record for when they take the mound even if there are a ton of other external factors. During the bleak years of the Jays, it for sure meant something for Doc Halladay to show off his W-L record in comparison to the crap beside him. Id agree to get rid of the stat if they were able to play everyday. I'm not caught up to speed on all types of analytics but there would need to be a Win Probability stat to replace the W-L record at the very least.
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Im not close to 50 and I hate that idea. You play to win the game and sometimes pitchers can pitch according to the score. Maybe try some things in a blowout that they wouldn't in a close game. Wins and losses are still relevant to an extent even with a ton of external factors contributing to that. Let's not pretend that this is the only stat with its external factors.
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Tatis is friggin sick. Although for all the Bo hate, Tatis does have 9 errors at SS lol.
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That would give him the cleanup spot on this team right now lol
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I like Ryu and all but he does not give me that feeling. Probably because Doc did it for so long and we haven't seen a full season of Ryu yet. Also Doc was good for a bunch of complete games. Those days are sadly gone.
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LOL. Funny thing is that I actually support Panik on here while most blast him. Think he's done a great job as a utility guy since the 2nd half of last season. I just wanted to see Rowdys bat in the lineup.
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Kirk has been crap but he's totally outplayed Jansen and deserves more reps there. In a perfect world, Kirk would be in AAA while Jansen is our backup.
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Holy s***... we did it boys!!
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Kiermaier always f***s us man. He's coming up next.
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Other teams seem to think he is a gold glove and under utilized base stealer lol
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0 for 31 streak for a player most didn't want to begin the season as our starter. Jansen is slowly running out of time if he doesn't turn it around soon.
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His agility is really bad man. He takes a while to get going and is slower than he should be.
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Shouldn't Tellez be batting for Jansen or is the defensive downgrade that much with Kirk in there?
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Panik has played better than half of our regulars this year lol
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Have we even had a hit and run all year?
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Same. I don't have issues with players stealing signs in any way as long as they're not using technology. Heck, players from 2nd base should just yell "fastball outside" lol.
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No fear, gold glove Panik is here.
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How about the people who want to give Montoyo credit for maximizing their skills by their usage instead? #DevilsAdvocate
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General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2021)
Jays24 replied to TwistedLogic's topic in Toronto Blue Jays Talk
Blue Jays' Ryu exits vs. Rays with minor glute strain https://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/2160986 Minor glute strain is not something you see often lol.