Carlos Danger

If you want to be a stat nerd and refuse to look at the big picture of improving our Team, then we can look at Fantasy stats using the most sabremetric league on this board- LOD In LOD- Varsho is worth 81.89 points Kirk is worth 73.04. Varsho 79 runs scored to Kirks 59 Kirk 134 hits to Varsho's 125 hits Kirk RCs (Runs created) 74.4 to Varsho's 69.1 RC Varsho 74 RBIs vs Kirks 63 RBIs Varsho 27 HR, Kirk 14 HR Kirk .349 WOBA to Varsho's .319 WOBA Varsho .443 SLG% to Kirk's .415 SLG% Kirk 372 OBP to Varsho's 302 OBP Varsho 16 SBs to Kirk's 0 On the offensive side Kirk beats Varsho by about 5 total runs in Runs created. Fantasy only takes into account offense. The offense is close enough between the two with Varsho actually being better in some categories, plus his plus D and positional versitality and at key positons, makes it a no brainer! Put the straw down and look at the big picture!

Kirk is Mexican. He would have more appeal to a west coast or Texas team.

Where are we at with that??? Do we have all our managers on board? All the switches turned on?

I would like to think Kirk will end up a Prince Fielder type. Regardless, with both Prince and Panda, weight/health issues ended up derailing them. I would be very wary of any long term contracts with Kirk. Hence another reason to trade while the value is high.

Good post! I don't disagree at all that Kirk is the superior overall offensive player. My point is and has been, that Varsho's offense is good enough, coupled with his plus D, that in totality, Varsho would make the TEAM better overall then Kirk does. Hence IF IF IF , Arizona was willing to trade Varsho, for Kirk, which I don't think they would do (AZ). I would do that deal without much hesitation to be honest.

If you are only going to look at percentile rankings through a straw you should play fantasy baseball. It is not the way to build a better real life MLB team. Your deflection of my comments and inability to comprehend more then a stat page, shows ignorance of the big picture. The Blue Jays need run prevention as much or more then they need an improvement in offense.

A defense only type guy is someone you pinch hit for, or you sub in for a really good no defense hitter. If Varsho is on the team there is no need to PH for him and no need to sit him until a defensive replacement is needed. With Varsho specifically, the Blue Jays can trade a catcher and still DH a catcher. The fear with two catchers of DHng one is what if the starting catcher gets hurt? With Varsho you still have three catchers on the Team and improve your CF defense which improves your overall OF D. How many of the singles Kirk hit could have been stretched to two by Varsho. How many double plays would have not been completed with Varsho running vice Kirk. How many times would have Varsho gone 1st to 3rd, 2nd to home vs Kirk going station to station. How many times would Varsho been sent on sac fly and scored vs the amount of times they had to hold Kirk. 2nd to 3rd and 3rd to home. Not all hits if not a HR are created equal….

I think you need to look at a move like that from a Team approach vs player vs player. I strongly believe, that as a Team, considering roster makeup (3 catchers, current OF etc) , run prevention etc, the Blue Jays are a better Team with Varsho vs Kirk. The goal is to improve the Team, its not a H2H Fantasy league.

I wouldn’t simply because he went to the pen when he got off the IL. Those other three guys are SPs.

Varsho makes the Blue Jays better then just Kirk does. Plus CF/OF catcher, good hitter can SB, take the extra base on a single or sac fly, still young. Team Varsho here baby!

I am same same as some others. However, considering it is a Dynasty league, I would probably go Singer, Detmers, Cavalli.

Can any of those guys pitch? We need: Pitching Pitching Pitching Pitching and Pitching

A statement questioning the supposition.

9 runs were scored against us after it was 8-1. Saying that those runs were, “luck”, the “manager”, or “circumstance”, fails to account for all the runners on base when the three proceeding things occurred if you believe in that.

How many runners were on base and ended up scoring on the bloop hit? Heard the bad luck bloop hit a thousand times. There were three fnnnn runners on base in the first place.

No idea how anyone can say the Mariners are dog s***?

Wow, the team that swept the Jays at home just got swept in three. Jays must really suck.

Damn, all the teams I wanted to win today lost or are losing…

Bad take my friend. Same sort of thing you said pre-season when you said the rotation/depth was fine. Define fine I guess I would ask? No defined set up guy, one Romero injury from no closer. Guys who had a lot of bad outings with some really good ones is too inconsistent. Bass should NOT be used regularly in the 8th and def not the 9th. Again, fine BP for an average team. Compared to the competition who made the playoffs a weak spot relative to matchups. They were also overworked and probably burnt out. That’s what happens when you have two maybe three once Stripling started pitching, reliable starters. If you have a solid pen, maybe one falters but the other guys do what they are supposed to do. We had too many games where multiple RPs s*** the bed. A lot of them we were just lucky we scored 8, 9 runs etc.

When is the last time Cleveland won a world series? Losing an 8-1 lead is not just bad luck, to try and make it out as soley bad luck is being very obtuse. The fact of the matter is you are competing against other teams in baseball and the object Goal is to win a WS, not just make the WC. One being a COVID year where we also lost in 2 games. Who gives a s*** about how many wins if that doesn't translate into playoff success. With all those wins the Jays got, there were still a bunch of other teams with equal or more. Ross has done some great moves, Chapman as an example, but if you look at the results in totality vs the object goal.. As I said, one more year. 2020 expanded playoffs out in 2. 2021 Did not make the playoffs 2022- Many red flags not addressed. Just a good enough team to make the WC but not enough done to adjust the roster to be a dominant playoff team.

I am in an off-board fantasy league where we have $ budgets and contracts etc. In the pre-season there is a prediction game that we play that if we win we get more contract $. Questions like who will be the 6 playoffs teams, which team will finish 10th who will represent the AL, NL in the WS, who will win the WS. I chose Seattle to win the WS. I just don’t see why you think they are such a crappy team?? They are built for the playoffs, more so then we are/were.

About right....

I would put Ross on a Performance Improvement Plan (PIP).With one more year to show improvement. There are strengths and weaknesses of the Atkins/Shapiro duo. However, I see no improvement on the weakness sides in a lot of respects. Manoha is the only home grown stud pitcher since the 2015 off season. Romano was a hold over from the AA regime and they ended up rule 5ing the dude. Most of the playoff teams have homegrown guys in their pen and high leverage roles. The Jays do not apart from Romano and he is an AA product. Mayza I don't consider a stud and he is an AA product also. Depth- I find it egregious the lack of depth planning or depth itself for the Jays. It was plain as day to me that we did not have the SP depth going into this season. Ruy was always hurt, a year older and a high probability he would get hurt or suck. Kickuchi had half a season of decent pitching and it was the first half of 2021 not the second half. The second half should have been an indicator not an outlier. Right there you have 2/3 of your rotation questionable. An injury to either Gausman, Manoah or Berrios and you have only Stripling as a reasonable back up and no one thought he would exceed expectations. Even with 5 awesome SPs with no injury history, you need depth beyond one SP. Our lack of SP depth and s***** outing from our SPs almost cost us big time and def why we were a WC and not division champs. The BP- We were a single point of failure from being really screwed if we lost Romano for any amount of time or he went into a serious slump. Our eggs were all in one basket and that is a horrible strategy. The trade deadline was risk averse, I blame that on Shapiro and goes back to him never winning a WS. The trade deadline was insufficient to address what our needs were and when not considered in a vacuum. Our competition improved more significantly then we did. The game 1 loss was example A. Bass lost his closer role in Miami because he is not a late inning guy. He is a 6-7 inning guy and just doesn't have the makeup for late inning stuff. It is in the splits and Saturday was a good example. Pop is a good future acquisition IMO but didn't do anything for putting us over the top in 2022. White-- Well, we saw that you are not going to Ross Stripling the Dodgers more than once and did nothing to take us to the next level. How nice would it have been to have a 1-2 punch of Romano and Iglesias or some the amount of high leverage options out of the Mariner's, Astros, Braves, Cleveland, Tampa or Yankees pens, even with their injuries. I did like the Merrifield acquisition, but without upgrades in other areas and not being a left bat, his positives were mitigated. You need to move your assets in area of strengths when at their highest value. We have three really good catchers and we have Chapman at 3b. Not sustainable and if you have to move one, why not when you have the best chance at the playoffs and making your team next level not just good enough to get in a wildcard. We can't be waiting for next year and the year after. Boston will better next year, the Orioles will be better, the Rays are the Rays and the Yankees the Yankees. Seattle will continue to be good with their youth and I expect more out of the Twins and especially the White Sox next year. Houston is always good and is rich in pitching and Detroit is up and coming. No guarantees we even get a WC next year. This was our year and we played it too safe, did not address needs and failed egregiously to plan for more depth in areas which were obvious risk factors. We need better D from some of our stars also... That is more on coaching though IMO. We need consistency, too many highlight plays but then not making the routine play or plays that are reflecting on our run prevention. Improved run prevention and optimizing our offense, left handed stud batters etc. I will give you 1 more year on probation Ross. Produce or we need to take corrective actions,

The center fielder needs to call the ball and the IF or another OF needs to break off. Miscommunication by OF and IF cost us badly in the ALCS game 6, yesterday and I also recall a game in 2015/2016 where Pillar and someone collided. Collisions happen, but most of the time it is due to someone not taking charge and calling off or another player disregarding. I don’t buy the “luck” thing on the bloop hit. Someone already pointed out Springer covers more ground then where the ball landed. Springer broke off due to seeing Bo coming out. The little bloop that Donaldson got to tie it in the 7th inning game 5, 2015. Odor was not playing where he should have been on D and it went just over his head. Looked like luck, but was enabled by Odor playing too far in then he normally does, should. Then on the other side, the offensive team needs to make contact and hit a ball in the first place to make it a bloop etc instead of a K or IF fly etc. Look at all the luck we had on easy outs or double play balks in 2015 and the 2016 wildcard game. Russel Martin hit a ground ball out and a double play ball in 2016 WC, both were botched. But.. he made contact and put the ball in play..

We were jinxed when the GDT said 1 of 3. Should have just said game 1