Brownie19

I'm in this camp.

So are we happy or upset that Loup could possibly have significant arm injury? I mean I wish no harm or injury on anyone - but is this seen as a big loss, or addition by subtraction? I vote it's a pretty significant loss - but I suspect the "masses" are jumping for joy.

Easy with the facts man...

Ted - is that you? how the f*** do you know the payroll will drop to $120M if the Jays don't win this year? You're certainly doing your best to repeat as the worst poster...

He's not insulted enough to leave though...He may whine and complain and want to get overpaid like Pujols, Hamilton, Fielder and Martinez - but at the end of the day, he seems to realise he's in a good position and is being fairly compensated......otherwise, he'd be in another uni. talk is cheap.

Based on what? Red Sox give Ortiz a 1 year deal every year and he's not insulted. You know what's insulting? The contracts given to Pujols, Hamilton, Fielder and Martinez. Shouldn't the Jays be insulted if EE asks for 5 years?

If I'm Shaktins - I'd counter by telling EE the Jays will do exactly what Boston did with his homeboy Ortiz. I'd point to the endless list of awful long term contracts handed out to players with negative defensive value (V.Martinez, Pujols, Hamilton, Fielder, etc.), explain the Jays aren't stupid (like DET & LAA) and note they are built to contend/win over the next 3-4 years. Then I'd offer him 1 or 2 year deals with an above average AAV while he's still a productive player. If he balks at that - I thank him for the draft pick and show him the door.

This is how I see that conversation going... EE - "Shatkins, Victor Martinez got 4 years, $68M at age 35. I want AT LEAST that" Shatkins - "you mean the Victor Martinez who put up a -2.0 WAR last year and his already hurt again this spring (just like you currently are)? f*** off"

Not sure I buy that. Jose and EE have been here a long time, waiting for the Jays to build a team around them that could win. We finally have it and now we're going to go to them and ask them to waive their 10-5 rights because their initial discussions in contract negotiations didn't go well? That would piss me off. And why would they want to go anywhere right now? This team has one of the best preseason shots of winning it all. If their below .500 at the all-star break, this situation/discussion is a lot more plausible. Right now it's pure stupidity IMO. Don't listen to Bob McCowan - he's a maroon.

The Jays are spending plenty sir. Spending a pile of money on guys in their mid 30's is just plain stupid. Look at the history.

Isn't there a massive risk in asking them to accept a trade? I mean if they say yes and you have a deal in place - great.....but if they say "no" - then you've told them you want to trade them, but you can't. That can't create a good vibe around a team that's ready to win now. I know it's business - but that's risky business if you ask me and I won't be surprised if the Jays haven't even considered it for that reason.

I thought he was some puggy out of shape guy? I pictured Matt Adams. Good swing IMO.

Petco is actually considered a hitters park now. KC would be a good fit park/defense wise. Maybe Miami for Ozuna

Soriano needs a visa and some PEDs in a hurry....

IMO - yes.

Floyd in the rotation, Chavez & Sanchez in the pen, Hutch stretched out in AAA (in the event of a SP injury). That works for me.

Not sure I agree. SP depth is a must for a winning team. I'm fine with him starting in the pen (ala Estrada, Marco last year).

Funny thing is - his bat wasn't anywhere near "average" last year (wRC+ of 86). If he found an average bat, we're probably looking at 5+ WAR.

I wonder if Barry enjoys SP humiliation too....creepy.

Wow - he's either oblivious to how pathetic he is, or he enjoys being made fun of. My 3 year old son has a better swing than Barry. Jackie looks pretty good in the video though.

Can we just close this thread? thank you in advance for the consideration.

I won't - haven't played a video game in 5 1/2 years (since my first son was born). That said - he'll soon be into video games and he loves baseball, so soon I may forced to play video games once again in an effort to bond with my son

I definitely agree unless it's a front loaded contract or the 5th year is an option year. $25M, $20M, $20M, $15M, $10M. AAV - $18M In principle, I don't like locking up the DH spot either...

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/here-s-your-first-look-at--r-b-i--baseball-16-055727095.html Is the RBI Baseball any good? It sure was back on the original Nintendo!

Fair enough man....I wasn't trying to write a bloody thesis on this matter - I was just curious under what basis people keep suggesting he has a "big arm". When I think big arm, I personally think strikeouts and to get strikeouts, you need swinging strikes. I probably used to think velocity too, but I no longer do as everyone in the pen throws hard now (see Scholtz, Bo) Perhaps I underestimated the value of weak contact and groundballs; however, there are plenty of groundball pitchers who I certainly don't consider to have "big arms". Brett Anderson Jon Neise Brad Ziegler Luke Gregerson Zake Petricka My post had nothing to do with how successful he'll be - it was simply to find out why people keep saying he has the big arm or great "stuff". He's spent the last 7 years trying to learn how to throw a good secondary pitch and has failed miserably. The only other pitch he's developed at all is a loopy curveball, which makes no sense to throw off his sinking fastball. It's utterly stupid IMO. Forgive me if I doubt his ability to "develop" other quality pitches.