Brownie19

Despite never really having playoff success - Beane is a legendary GM in my books.

So were the Padres and they got Machado. The Phillies were s*** from 2013 to 2017 and got Harper.

This s*** isn't true. We all would have said that about AA before he traded the farm for Reyes, Johnson, Dickey, etc. and signed Martin. AA was widely viewed as a guy who's mandate was to reduce payroll and rebuild the farm system - and he did that - right up until he decided not to and went all in. We've had VERY recent experience with a GM who's able to have multiple approaches based on where the team is on the win curve (or some potential other reasons). Why is it so hard to fathom that our current FO might be capable of doing the same?

It goes to show you that with some creativity - there are many different ways to win baseball games. Long gone are the days when a strong rotation is required to be successful.

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/oliver-drake-changed-his-game-and-found-a-home/ Surprised we couldn't find some innings for Drake this year. He's been worth 0.5 WAR+ for 3 straight years now.

yeah I picked up on that too. Just focus on the history of the game and how the official scoring used to work.

I see what your saying - but I think hearing he's never worked out is a lot better than hearing that he's been working out a ton over the past 3 years and these are the results.

I C&P this from a Fangraphs article. I thought it was interesting for those historians out there... Pop-boy Smith was credited with his only big-league win on September 21, 1919 when the Cleveland Indians edged the Washington Senators 3-2 in a game that went 13 innings. The home team won, with Al Gould, who pitched the final four innings in relief of Smith, getting the save. How is this possible? According to two experts I queried — SABR’s Jacob Pomrenke and Retrosheet’s David W. Smith — the answer to that question is both simple and complicated. Moreover, the occurrence wasn’t all that uncommon at the time. Per Pomrenke, the official scorer was likely using Henry Chadwick’s original, archaic logic for awarding wins, which is the pitcher that “pitched the most innings” or “did the bulk of the work” in the game. Also per Pomrenke, “Before official scoring became truly official around 1920, there was often no rhyme or reason to how wins and losses were awarded. American League president Ban Johnson had a bad habit of overruling the local official scorers, who could only ‘recommend’ scoring decisions to the league office, which had final approval. Johnson was extremely inconsistent in when and how he overruled the AL’s official scorers.” The modern rule for pitching wins, which includes the starters’ needing to go at least five innings, was formalized in 1950. As for how Retrosheet (which is the source of box scores at Baseball-Reference) handles the assignment of retroactive wins and saves. Smith informed me that their position on wins has been “to follow the officially recorded totals (in the daily player ledgers at the Hall of Fame) even if they would clearly be different today.” Saves are a different story. “The first save rule became official in 1969 and there have been four versions of it,” Smith explained. “For games from 1969 to the present we follow the official totals, just as with the wins, even though there are some strange cases. The 1974 rule was a real mess. For games played before 1969, we chose to agree with Pete Palmer, who first calculated these. For these games, the following criterion was used: The last pitcher on the winning team gets a save, no matter the score, how many innings he pitched, or how effective he was.” Pop-boy Smith earned his only career save by dint of Retrosheet’s pre-1969 criteria. On September 1, 1969, the erstwhile hurler entered in a tie game and pitched the final two innings of a 3-2 Indians’ walk-off win. In other words, “Pop-boy” got his only career save in a game where by modern rules he’d have gotten a win. Then, six days later, he got his only career win in a game where by modern rules he’d have gotten a save.

Just signed on to post this. Jano and Reese are great back there.

J4L19 - isn't it time to give this up? It's not funny anymore.

If you give a Koi fish more space, it will grow....just saying.

Almost hit the "hit it here sign" no?

that's not how racism works.

It's kind of fascinating that it's not illegal when it happens on a baseball diamond - even when fighting isn't 'allowed' (like it is in hockey).

Isn't assault, assault? German's is worse because it's a man hitting a woman? or are we suggesting Odor's was more acceptable because Jose "had it coming to him"?

I doubt anyone would argue that.

I would have said the same thing about Machado last offseason and here he is shiting the bed in 2019...

And Vazquez admits to having sexual encounters with a 13 year old. Good luck in jail bud.

Grant - please provide examples of MVP calibre players returning from injuries who were traded for solid returns. As BTS points out - good luck. Also, please point me to the pitchers with lesser value than Stro who were traded for a better package than SWR + Kay. Are you going to say Puig, Reyes and Logan Allen? JBB, Beer and Martin?

Bo didn't know who Macho Man was either. Pretty sad. Makes me feel old.

I'm confused by this. Is his mother saying that she doesn't have a daughter (named Priscilla)? You're suggesting Priscilla is some spiritual guide that Felipe has made up and she isn't actually a reason person? https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/17/sports/baseball/pittsburgh-pirates-felipe-vazquez-arrested.html That article explains that Priscilla is his half sister, who's also his agent and they live together in the offseason. She looks kinda real to me Ang. WTF?

I see no reason why Gurriel or Teo can't play RF...

I think he's just trying to say that Tulo, Martin, Pillar, Sanchez, Biagini (the fan favourites) weren't worth much in terms of value, when the FO traded them. You can't trade them for 'pennies on the dollar' when they aren't worth s*** to begin with. That's obviously omitting Stro, who had lots of value when traded. Time will tell if we actually traded him for 'pennies on the dollar' of if we got something of value for him. People like Grant suggesting they 'know' we traded them for less than their actual value are fooling themselves. None of us have any idea.

Joe Rogan does.