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I wanted them to trade Green, but you could at least argue that he's useful for a 2025 team that wants to contend. IKF was not necessary, as there is no shot he's going to sustain his current level of production and there are many internal options that could replace him. So from that standpoint, if they had to trade one, then they probably traded the right one for their goals. Whether they made the right decision to keep Green in general depends on what they turned down. Maybe another team didn't want to take his whole salary (very possible) and the Jays didn't want to eat any. Regardless, very pleasantly surprised with the deadline. The Jays didn't really trade much but they got way more back than anyone could have imagined.
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Signing IKF to what looked like a bad contract, getting a 2 WAR out of him in half a season, and then trading him for at least a somewhat interesting prospect is a great outcome. Even if McAdoo ends up being nothing it’s still the best case scenario for this signing all the way around.
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McAdoo is 22 and killing it in AA. What's the catch?
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IKF going to the Pirates per Passan!
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You got Morosi’d.
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They’ll move on from IKF when he has a 79 wRC+ in 303 plate appearances next July.
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We still don't know how much money the Jays are covering in the Turner deal ("cash considerations" was included based on the press release). I can't imagine the Jays are actually going to pay the tax this year because they don't want to trade anyone controlled through 2025. That seems idiotic, especially if the intention is to go AA-2015 in the off season. They are much better off getting under the tax to reset the penalties and then blowing through the 2nd tier in the off season. Still hoping for an IKF or Green deal in addition to the FAs being moved, but I guess it depends on what the payroll situation is. Maybe enough money is being covered in the Turner deal to get under it. Paying $2m for Vogelbach in hindsight (and hell at the time as well) was just awful.
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Looks like Loperfido is joining the big league club. With KK likely to be moved, I could see him getting a chance at everyday LF reps.
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A top 3 AAV would be over $40m, so if that's what Vlad is asking for over a 10+ year term, then most likely scenarios are 1) they will end up moving him next July or 2) if they are in contention then they will let him go to free agency and see what the market says. Both of the latter scenarios seem a lot less desirable than trading him now and maxing out his trade value, but the Jays want to compete in 2025, so it ain't happening now.
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Unfortunately I think that’s probably more accurate than people assuming he will command a haul. It’s a sellers market but that $21m next season is a very large amount for any team to pick up for someone Bassitt’s age and projected value. As mentioned the same issue might apply to Green. He’d have way more value as an expiring rather than another team having to pay him $10.5m next year. The player to move to get under the tax is probably IKF.
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Curious to know what teams are offering for Bassitt. On one hand he seems like the perfect guy to trade right now but he makes $21m next season at age 36 and he’s closer to a #4 starter at this point. You can probably rule out the small to mid market contenders with that contract. He might have been a bigger asset if he was a rental. His contract is fair value at best with no chance for surplus. Gausman is the guy to move if you want to take advantage of this market as he has an ace ceiling but that’s why the Jays will keep him praying he bounces back.
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System still lacks high end prospects but the depth has definitely improved. Just have to hope a couple pan out.
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You’re going to be disappointed in a few hours. I agree the Jays are going to want to get under the tax, so if they can’t do that by just trading the rentals then there likely will be another move but I think at most it will be Green or IKF. No chance they move Gausman. Maybe a minor chance they move Bassitt but still very unlikely.
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Another HR for Vlad, OPS up to .900 now. Wow what a turnaround. It was like 2 months ago that he was Vladimir Arraez Jr, but now he's crushing everything.
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In this market, Bassitt and Green should definitely be moved.
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I hate pitching prospects but a top 100ish prospect plus others (I would assume) seems pretty fair. Let’s see what the rest of the deal looks like.
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If the M's aren't picking up all of Turner's money (looks like they aren't), then the Jays might need to move one of Green or IKF to get below the luxury tax. I can't see the Jays wanting to be a tax team in 2024. Resetting the penalties will help them as they go 2015 AA this winter, so I think they end up moving Green or IKF (preferably both, but that's asking too much).
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The Blue Jays official account says it's Turner and "cash considerations". That makes more sense as I can't imagine a team as cheap as the M's usually are taking all of Turner's contract. Obviously I hope the first report is true.
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Wow, can't believe the M's took all of Turner's remaining salary. I thought there was no shot the Jays could get under the tax by just trading the pending FAs but I guess they can now. I hope they still trade Green and IKF, though.
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Worst day of John Schneider’s career not being able to pencil in Turner in the clean up spot everyday. But yeah the return is irrelevant. Just get him off the roster so someone with a possible future on this team could get plate appearances.
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Yeah I want Bo gone yesterday but hard to see them getting value when he’s hurt on top of the bad performance. Revisit in the off season, although this front office is more likely to revisit it next July. To me the more obvious trade candidate is IKF. If there is a market for him and they keep him because they want to compete in 2025 then they need their damn heads examined.
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Ross Atkins spit out his drink after reading this.