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Not sure who you are venting to, but feel better? Godfrey was against going overslot. Beeston wasn't. I don't think that's making excuses as much as it is stating a fact. The Blue Jays, under interim CEO Paul Beeston, intend to become even more aggressive in that regard by employing a new willingness to pay signing bonuses above Major League Baseball recommendations. That was a big no-no under old president Paul Godfrey and the shift in philosophy may help Ricciardi secure more high-end talent. "That's definitely going to be an area we look at differently," said Ricciardi. "The gloves are off." In 2010, the Jays spent nearly $12m on their draft picks, and that's not including any of their international signings. In 2011, it was $10.96m. Two years later, after the CBA changed, AA's MLB payroll jumped to top 10 in baseball. If you think money hasn't influenced his tenure, you're not seeing the facts clearly. He's been given a ton. Way more than JPR was given. It's not even close, actually.
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1) no one said that, and 2) You can't compare the two situations, like you wanted to, without factoring the difference in autonomy and structure in general. JP not being able to draft was his own fault. He could have drafted someone else instead of Adams, or Tulo instead of Romero (I don't think Tulo was overslot but I could be wrong), and so on. He just had restrictions to how much he could spend on it, unlike AA.
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Westhead: Shapiro Told Blue Jays Payroll To Be $140MM+
glory replied to Spoonovic's topic in Toronto Blue Jays Talk
Yep. Only reason people are whining about $140m is because AA wasn't good enough to win without a payroll that high. Shapiro might be better with less. -
Paul Godfrey's rule was to not go overslot. JP did not have a choice. He was also hired after the Moneyball hype, likely to win on a small budget and get college draft picks to reach the Majors as quickly as possible. Not only that, but Godfrey was rumored to be a big meddler. The situations were not the same. AA was allowed to go overslot and spend huge internationally. JP's major league moves were generally good, it's just that he couldn't draft to save his life.
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Westhead: Shapiro Told Blue Jays Payroll To Be $140MM+
glory replied to Spoonovic's topic in Toronto Blue Jays Talk
He'd have to find a way to acquire an undervalued SS option from another team. I've always been a fan of Brad Miller in Seattle, but don't know how they view him. -
I agree. Rogers had every right to look elsewhere when they were investing so much money on a team that wasn't reaping any type of financial rewards until after they had already decided to sign Shapiro. AA had every right to leave as well since they wanted him and his mentor gone a year ago, and weren't going to give him full control over Shapiro this time around. Casual fans are butt hurt because they didn't suffer through the losing. They just hopped on in August and think Alex is amazing because of it.
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Westhead: Shapiro Told Blue Jays Payroll To Be $140MM+
glory replied to Spoonovic's topic in Toronto Blue Jays Talk
Edwin has 10/5 rights and as an impending free agent he has very little incentive to accept a trade somewhere else when he can pad his numbers at RC for a big payday a year from now. Plus he likes it in Toronto and they are coming off an ALCS appearance. I doubt he'd even consider a trade. Tulo is probably the most likely to accept a trade since even with a NTC he has no real ties to Toronto and he's locked up for five years. -
Westhead: Shapiro Told Blue Jays Payroll To Be $140MM+
glory replied to Spoonovic's topic in Toronto Blue Jays Talk
Yeah, $140m is more than enough to put a winner on the field. Hell, 2013 and 2014's payroll was more than enough to put a winner on the field as well, but AA is bulletproof, and all the blame somehow went to Rogers for not spending more than the top 10 payroll they gave AA. Get some short-term SP options (Shark, Kennedy?) to fill out the rotation, and add depth where applicable, and the team should have a chance to repeat as division champs or at least make one of the wild card spots. -
I doubt it. He seems very much against using free agency due to the unpredictable/poor ROI, so expecting any deals longer than 2-3 years as BTS said is probably setting yourself up for disappointment. I think if he makes any type of cosmetic change to create a buzz it will be Francona over Gibbons (or something along those lines). From a player acquisition standpoint, I don't think we'll see a big splash. Maybe a few minor pitching moves (Samardzija would be good on a short-term deal if he's willing), but nothing drastic beyond that.
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Blue Jays GM Candidates [Tinnish? Peter Brand?]
glory replied to GD's topic in Toronto Blue Jays Talk
Analytics would favor Stroman, not hurt him. Shapiro wouldn't value Sanchez, for example. Stroman? He absolutely would. -
With Gibbons, yes. With Anthopoulos, a little less so but certainly enough to be noticeable. However, I like the Shapiro hire, and if you read the Donaldson trade thread I was practically s***ing myself I was so happy. I just didn't like the way AA built this team from 2013-15, and the fact that people are making him out to be a hero while s***ing all over a very intelligent baseball guy like Shapiro is very disappointing. Hence why I'm speaking out against it. I think people are so happy to finally make the playoffs that some can't see the forest for the trees anymore.
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AA replenished the system the first time because he (smartly) took advantage of the system by hoarding draft picks. It worked. He can't do the same thing now because the new CBA greatly restricts that type of team building. Replenishing the system in 2010 was a lot easier than it will be now. I think some of the guys in the lower minors will eventually be players for this team. However, that might take many years, and we're talking about keeping the team competitive short-term. It's going to be difficult.
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It's not a mess in terms of flexibility, it's a mess in terms of trying to keep them as a 90 win team beyond 2016. If Bautista and EE leave, then it will be damn difficult to replace them. If they re-sign both, then it's getting into Ruben Amaro territory of keeping guys way too long and paying them for past performance. I'm honestly not sure what the "fix" is to keep this team competitive beyond 2016, but let's be real here, AA built a very small window. Not impossible to keep it going, but it will be very hard.
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I'm not a casual fan. I'm in this for the long run. I want to see a consistent winner. AA went for the short-term fix. Shapiro is probably taking over at the right time because at least it gives him a year to see if he can retool a bit to get the team back on the right track. However, to suggest that I think it's going to crash and burn is ridiculous. I've seen a lot of baseball in my life. Teams built this way have a short shelf-life. That's just reality. I'm not going to pretend to wear a blind fold because of one entertaining season. I want them to produce many of these types of seasons, and I believe Shapiro is far more likely to produce them than Anthopoulos.
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Shapiro, contrary to what many want to believe, is inheriting what will look like a mess after 2016. Bautista and Edwin will be free agents after next season, and the team will be paying $60M to Martin and $80M to Tulo in their mid-30's over the next 3-4 years. The farm system, at least the upper minors portion, is bone dry other than Pompey. AA might have bounced on purpose. He gets all the accolades for ending the playoff drought and doesn't have to deal with the consequences of his short-term decision making. That's one smart fat man.
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The Mets would probably hire him simply as a thank you for his generosity.
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Is a free agent. Leaves on a high note without having to clean up the impending mess he created for post 2016. Can go somewhere else down the road and get full control of baseball ops. It's a smart play by him.
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Maybe AA pulled off a Pat Gillick exit. Knew a rebuild was imminent (after 2016) and left before he had to clean up the mess.
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AA's drafting before the new CBA was great. Honest question, since the draft pool/slot system was implemented, has his drafting been anything special? The CBA change was huge as every advantage AA had with drafting and signing international talent basically vanished.
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Shapiro with a top 10 payroll vs. Shapiro with a bottom 10 payroll might yield completely different results. At least we know his philosophy is sound. Just need to execute it properly. I guess those who hate Sanchez will get their wish. Can't see a saber friendly team valuing him at all.
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Godfrey refused to go overslot (one of the few good things Beeston's arrival did). JP had no choice but to draft cheaper players, but that's not excuse for his failures though. He could have drafted better players, or hired better scouts. But if you expected him to do what AA was allowed to do (overslot, spend big internationally, etc), it was simply a different landscape at the time.
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If AA had to deal with one wild card and two super teams in his division, then he would have been fired a long time ago. JP won 86 games in 2008 and finished a distant 4th in the East. Apples and oranges compared to today. He couldn't draft for s*** but he was a good GM.
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AA left Shapiro with an old team with a one year window to win before s*** hits the fan. I'd be pretty pissed too.
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No not every player has to be on great value contracts but having a combination of a strong MLB team and a strong farm system is certainly possible. AA sacrificed one for the other. You can't do that and expect to build a sustainable winner. Play for 2015-16 and that's all you're going to get. Shapiro has to change that.
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Or you can rebuild the farm system and field a winning team at the same time.