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Exactly. No one will care about Bautista's bat flip HR in 2019 if they team hadn't made the playoffs in 2016-18. If you build a sustainable winner, then the more chances you have at winning it. AA created a one year window. That's about the worst thing you could possibly do in baseball. Doubling down on that philosophy would have sunk this team long-term.
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“We obviously had multiple holes to fill in our pitching staff, and our front-office team felt diversifying the risk among multiple pitchers who could start was important, both due to our need at the (major-league) level and our lack of Triple-A depth starting pitchers.” - Shapiro I think the Jays were always looking at the cheaper end of the free agent pool. GIven their familiarity with Happ, and the fact that he was "fixed" by Searage, maybe it was a combination of value + perceived upside. Regardless, I don't think they ever seriously considered the more expensive FA's.
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Jon Morosi @jonmorosi 8m8 minutes ago Sources: Jordan Zimmermann's deal with #Tigers expected to be 5 years and around $110 million. @JonHeymanCBS first reported agreement.
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Non tender both Thole and Saunders and bring both back on lesser/minor league deals. I wouldn't guarantee Saunders anything with the injury he is coming off of, and Revere is a better bet than him going forward.
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All you have to do is look at the reaction of the fans when the 2013 off-season happened. Hype sells tickets in Toronto sports. Whether it helps the team win long-term is not even a glimmer in any of their eyes. Toronto fans and media are butt hurt about Alex leaving. These reactions are just a byproduct of that.
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Yeah they still need more AAA depth. MLB: Stroman, Dickey, Estrada, Happ, Chavez AAA: Hutchison, Diamond, ?, ?, ?
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That should read 147 starts by everyone else, not 143 in my earlier post. Regardless, as good as those 11 starts by Price were, they were 11 starts. The Jays got 4 out of Stroman, and (knock on wood) they'll get way more than that in 2016. The rotation is fine. Could use a bit more depth but we got a while to go before April.
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I think it's a solid deal, so if the options are good or bad, then I'll go with good. Nothing spectacular about it, but years and AAV is fine with me. No picks or prospects involved = good.
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The Jays won 93 games in 2015 when they had 143 starts made by Dickey, Buehrle, Estrada, Sanchez, Hutchison, Norris, Doubront, Copeland, Redmond, and Boyd. Need 5 aces to win, guyz.
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Great post or greatest post?
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Trading Dickey kind of defeats the point of depth accumulation, unless his direct replacement comes back in that trade (which likely won't happen). I know DIckey is annoying with his personal catcher stuff, but really, the Jays won't be getting a 200 IP/sub-4.00 ERA starter for less than what Dickey's making. Just bite the bullet and stick with Thole's corpse while hopefully getting a decent depth catcher in AAA in case of injury.
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Seriously. I'm surprised at the hate this is getting. The Jays spent 3 seasons gutting nearly every damn prospect they had in their system and still entered this off-season with 3 starters and no depth. I'll take this approach any day of the week over that one. ANd I agree, the rotation isn't even bad.
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Price will cost over $200M/7 years. It wasn't going to happen, nor would it have been a smart investment.
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Wow didn't realize he was 33 already. I thought he was 30 or something. I don't mind the signing honestly. Underwhelming definitely, but doesn't cost a pick, and the AAV is probably market value for league average starters.
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See, this is what the Jays should have done in 2013 instead of the Marlins/Mets trades. Just sign guys as free agents or trade for under the radar starters while biding time for prospects. Unfortunately, there's no Syndergaard/Stroman types in the minors right now to bide time for, but maybe in a couple of years there will be.
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You still have to convince them to sign with the Jays. Some times no amount of money can do that.
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Yep. I get the feeling the Jays want to develop their own pitching (ala Cleveland), but since no one is really close from the minors, they are going for cheap fixes to add depth and bide some time. It's going to piss a lot of fans off, though.
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Jays could do a lot worse than Wandy on a minor league deal. If he's ok with starting the year in Buffalo, then it's a no brainer. Do it.
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Payroll is standing pat or getting lower in 2016 from the looks of it. There's no guarantee with Rogers regardless of the contracts on the books.
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Don't forget $30m for Price.
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Yeah, with Shapiro emphasizing lack of depth, I think they'll try every avenue to get talent without touching any prospects or spending outlandish amounts in free agency. So as you said, waiver claims (like Smoak last year), a Rule 5 pick up, etc. They don't have many expendable trade assets, which is why they had to take from the pen in order to improve the rotation last week, so they'll have to be creative in adding talent wherever they can.
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Terrible David Price Ideas and Rumours Thread
glory replied to jglicksm's topic in Toronto Blue Jays Talk
I wouldn't be against Chen, but yeah, I feel the same way. Very underwhelming based on what it would cost. I think Iwakuma is the best option in terms of years/salary, but I don't think he'd want to pitch in Toronto. -
Terrible David Price Ideas and Rumours Thread
glory replied to jglicksm's topic in Toronto Blue Jays Talk
It's not going to happen with a $140m payroll. Plus I don't think it's Shapiro's style either. Even though more money can change things (see Friedman in LA), I get the sense that Shapiro will be asked to win on a more modest payroll (less than $140m) going forward rather than a big one. -
Jays need to fill out an entire AAA rotation too. Even the Forever Bison himself Chad Jenkins is out of options and can't be a AAA option anymore. Maybe there is a sleeper out there that Shapiro can find.
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Terrible David Price Ideas and Rumours Thread
glory replied to jglicksm's topic in Toronto Blue Jays Talk
Price has a ton of milage on his arm and is in his 30's already. Pass. Jays need to develop their arms.