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no way in hell that martin plays SS. but that being said Martin is much better defensively at C

As Passan notes, Moncada has yet to be unblocked by the United States Office of Foreign Assets Control or Major League Baseball, so the timeline for his arrival on the free agent market is uncertain, but the timing of his arrival is critical. If Moncada isn’t declared a free agent until next year’s signing period (the current signing period runs through June 15, 2015), the Angels, Yankees and Red Sox would not be able to sign him, as the penalties they’ve incurred prevent them from signing a player for more than $300K in the next two signing periods. If he’s declared a free agent in the current signing period, the Rangers and Cubs, who exceeded their bonus pool in the 2013-14 signing period, would not be able to sign him. Not that the Jays will be involved, but if he gets processed before June 30, 2015 then the Jays CAN NOT sign Moncada this period then follow through on the Guerrero rumour July 2, 2015. If its delayed until the next signing period then Toronto can go all in with the two big signings as we all realistically know - Never gonna happen..........

Last year he was a 2.0 WAR catcher, in 2013 he was a 1.8WAR catcher. His value based on WAR was 10.8million, not the 3 million he was paid. What do you think is out there?

Navarro's value page from Fangraphs - replacement level is 0 WAR isn't it?? Value Season Team Batting Base Running Fielding Positional Offense Defense League Replacement RAR WAR Dollars 2004 Yankees 0.3 -0.1 0.0 0.1 0.2 0.1 0.0 0.2 0.6 0.1 $0.2 2005 Dodgers -0.7 -1.9 -1.0 3.7 -2.6 2.7 0.3 6.1 6.5 0.7 $2.2 2006 2 Teams -8.6 -1.4 -1.0 5.6 -10.0 4.6 0.8 9.5 4.9 0.5 $1.8 2007 Devil Rays -18.5 -1.9 -3.0 8.2 -20.4 5.2 1.6 13.4 -0.1 0.0 ($0.1) 2008 Rays 2.9 -7.1 1.9 8.7 -4.2 10.6 1.6 14.3 22.3 2.2 $10.0 $0.4 2009 Rays -23.7 -0.6 -3.3 7.9 -24.3 4.6 1.5 12.5 -5.7 -0.6 ($2.6) 2010 Rays -8.2 -3.4 0.1 2.8 -11.6 2.9 0.6 4.2 -3.9 -0.4 ($1.6) 2011 Dodgers -8.2 -3.4 -0.7 3.6 -11.7 2.9 0.4 5.9 -2.5 -0.3 ($1.2) 2012 Reds -0.3 -0.4 0.0 1.3 -0.7 1.4 0.2 2.2 3.0 0.3 $1.4 2013 Cubs 11.2 -5.1 -1.1 3.6 6.1 2.5 0.3 7.6 16.5 1.8 $8.9 2014 Blue Jays -1.2 -3.5 0.5 5.5 -4.7 6.0 2.1 14.7 18.1 2.0 $10.9 Total - - - -55.0 -28.7 -7.5 51.1 -83.8 43.5 9.4 90.5 59.7 6.2 $30.0

No hate for Gose. Just realize he is limited. He is strong defensively. But offensively even with his speed he's below average contributor. He's a 4th of not a starter on a competitive team

Pompey is a cf. he plays excellent defense. Gose does not make enough contact to be a first division regular

Gose is not just struggling. He's showing what type of player he is. Look at his career stats in the minors

No way gose "wins" job in spring. He's played long enough to know what you have. A good/great defensive outfielder. He hits with very little power and strikes out way too much. That is not going to change. It's what he is. Plus he runs well but bunts poorly and has a poor success rate stealing bases. That is a fourth outfielder if u have nothing better Pompey right now would start in cf. gibbons has publicly said that. His hit tool is good with above average power for cf. defense is very good - Gold glove potential Jim callis said today. Pompey is the superior player now. Never mind the future. He's better today. That shiowed in September with the quality of the ab we saw from pompey

So you want to give away a solid #5 in Happ, plus potential starters like Graveman/Nolin to shed Romero salary? no thanks. Starters don't grow on trees. There is a big demand for them

Relax people it's November 5th. Let the off season play out

Smoak is equally bad vs RH and lh pitchers. He is not sold against rhp

Guerrero will be next year (after July 1 2015) Moncada may be this year's pool which goes through June 2015. He will take a huge bonus and force a team into penalty next year I doubt jays are into him unless he fall into big pool next year with geurrero

If Moncada gets posted before June 30 2015 and a team signs him before July 2015 he'd be part of this years pool. That would let Yankees etc go after him because he's part of the same group that obliterated the limit I think

the sky is falling

the Jays should start a Cuban contingent to compete with the strong Dominican group already on the team Sign Thomas (to play LF) Fernandez (2B) and some bullpen pieces these free agents won't cost draft pick compensation Hoping, but I know Rogers won't kick in to upgrade (or maintain) team

5.92 million in United states vs regular season blue jay games drawing >1milliion in Canada.

Gerry (Toronto): John: Dunedin's pitching was excellent this year, even without Daniel Norris. Kendall Graveman made it to the major leagues, Taylor Cole led the minors in strikeouts and Matt Boyd opened some eyes too. Do the three pitchers who didn't make the top 20 have major league potential? John Manuel: I must qualify this by saying I have an unhealthy Taylor Cole rooting interest, considering I forced him way up our 2007 pre-draft list when he was in Vegas. (Yes, he’s on my Vegas team I alluded to earlier, in the rotation along with Nick Kingham and Aaron Blair.) He’s 90-92 with athleticism and a plus changeup. He needs to trust his fastball and breaking ball more consistently. Boyd is more deceptive from an unusual delivery, though he has four pitches he throws for strikes. I didn’t get any plusses on Boyd. Graveman, we’ve chronicled fairly well of late, but he’s a 90-92 mph sinker-slider guy who took off as he threw more fastballs, commanded the pitch well and gave hitters a different look with the cutter. I like all three and would rank them Cole, Graveman, Boyd. Clint (BC, Canada): Just curious as to the reasons why Pompey was at 5 on the list? I just assumed he would be higher after looking at his entire year. Also was Graveman close to making the top 20? John Manuel: Five is pretty good. The other four guys are pretty good.

thx King. Follow those guys - they are good

Florida State League top 20 prospects released today from Baseball America #3, 5 and 19. Norris, Pompey and DSJ Five years ago no one on the list. Shows how bad the system was 5 years ago

Largest fa signing obviously Navarro. You see the size of him??

Does anyone know if there are Instructional league reports out there anywhere?? My most exciting thing right now as a Jays fan is looking at what is playing in Florida and may reach the majors in 2-4 years

and one player looks good because he continued to perform like he was paid to do the other looks like a whiny bitch who could not take care of himself and s*** the bed when the team needed him the most complaining to the media is great for the fans. but it usually turns out bad for the team. keep your disputes in house

yes that is true. The reason for missing the playoffs was not a loss of motivation. Same as Toronto

Wasn't AA actually showing faith in all the players on the roster by not making a trade?? Wouldn't some players see it as "wow, AA thinks I can get the job done. I will do my job to the best of my ability and show people that he was right"??

Great point. Was their Million dollar contracts not motivating enough? How about playing for the next contract or playing for your spot on a 25 man roster next season? Plus as Moogy points out the motivation of getting to the playoffs should be more than adequate motivation for any self respecting professional baseball player