TwistedLogic

The fact that Wells got an atrocious contract is irrelevant to this discussion, no? The only points in relation to that contract that pertain to this discussion are that a) Ricciardi signed the contract and Anthopoulos got rid of it. AA didn't sign that contract. It is clearly part of his policy to not give out contracts that big and that long (cue Tabler joke?) in the first place. Which, yeah again, people rage about, but people rage about everything. So far, every single time he has chosen to sit out on a free agent because of years, it has worked out for him, so he has no reason to divert from that path. If he sticks to his guns, he's never gonna sign a Wells-like contract that he will ever even have a chance to regret.

Nobody. Jays take division with 93 wins.

Raising my hand here. I always thought that everything about him screamed "mediocre". It's precisely why I hate when people jizz over pitchers like Ubaldo and Hellickson. The amount of hard-ons for guys like that is retarded. The fact that they gave Hellickson RoY just makes it so much worse.

What risk? Romero was always a f***ing turd, he was hideously overrated, and the shock people had over him crashing like he did was baffling to me. Even then, his contract isn't franchise crippling or anything. Also in regards to your previous post, I have absolutely no idea why you think the Jays dislike extensions or don't have a strong record with them, but they've very successfully extended Bautista, Encarnacion, Escobar, Janssen, etc, and taken good, safe risks on guys like Morrow and Lind. The contracts that haven't exactly worked out have not hamstrung them in a significant way, and the ones that have worked have been among the top bargains in the game for several years now. For the people that think the Jays are paranoid of extensions or whatever this is, when was the last time the Jays let a very good or even significant player walk away in free agency? I mean I know there was a ton of idiotic rage over Johnson last offseason, but I'm talking about a real free agent here.

lol, you're joking right?

It's a given how much we need Edwin and Lind, but I still can't wait for Reimold to be back. Didn't get to see enough of him when he was here, still think he can be something special for this club.

When you step out of your drunken stupor.

Not to anyone that has followed him in any form or capacity.

I did. Last year. That's when I left for a bunch of months and came back posting like a heartless prick. I realized that if I want to post here (and I do; I like... like four of you.. and let's face it, it's only active Jays forum, LOL) the only way to survive in this troll-tank is to be as direct as possible in conveying to the trolls how much I loathe their existence. And in doing that, I don't want to be a kitty party bitch and play favours to people I consider friendish, and so I decided to treat all ******** equally, no matter who posts it. Even if it's someone I totally enjoy talking to, if they post something I consider stupid, I treat it all the same. It might irritate someone/everyone sometimes/all the time, but atleast it's respectable and fair. I'm usually a lot more relaxed in PMs, IMs or in person but my direct and sometimes abrasive manner of posting probably makes me come off as "angry" as you called it a while back. Trust me when I say though, I'm laughing half the time when I'm on here. If it genuinely made me angry, I've shown in the past that I have no problem hitting the 'x' and disappearing for a long period of time. I wish every thread could be a Kawasaki DFA thread where everyone can just kick back and even coexist with Wilnercibia in the unified act of flinging bird s*** at Metallijay, but unfortunately, I don't think that would be very good for the forum, LOL.

Apparently you don't speak for King and GD. We used to be frands, gauys.

See now, after reading the kind of garbage he was posting, it makes me think I should be a bit more offended about this whole thing.

Yeah no. BTS used to be a legend in that regard but ever since whatever f***ed up his post count, f***ed up his post count, he gets zero consideration in these discussions. And this thing with his posts happened while he wasn't actually posting during the Jays hot streak, so I'm not sure if he went back and deleted all of his thousands of Rays-support posts in that time because of the incredible shame he was feeling, or whatever it was, but he has to be permanently shunned regardless. Of course this will probably only make him a martyr. Oh god, the thought of BTS filling the role of the resident Shoeless Joe.

King just pm'd me about the little Wilnercibia escapade where he tried pretending to be me a few days ago. Ignoring the kind of issues it probably takes for someone to impersonate me of all people, I gotta say I'm grateful that you guys figured out that it wasn't, in fact, me. The reason I say that is because it's hilariously suspicious that I wasn't posting at all during that time, so I wouldn't blame anyone for thinking that it was me on a dupe. To clarify though, I haven't posted as much lately because I'm on vacation in England, and not because I feel the need to be anymore of a dick than I probably already come off to you guys, by confusing you with multiple accounts. For the record, the only time I ever thought about making a dupe account here was to make one named "Ban Hammer" and literally only post JPGs of giant golden hammers every time somebody got banned. I assumed it would have the highest thanks-to-post ratio of all time, and people would have a ball trying to figure out who it was, but I decided against it because of the confusion and irritation it might cause the mods.

Sanchez is young... Will a year of struggles and tribulation give him the maniacal, uncontrollable mound-rage he needs to be Drabek-hevy? Both have elite stuff. Tune in next time to find out. Or how about you mongs stop pretending you know a twig's worth about player development and let the guy be and become the first and only Aaron Sanchez, for better or for worse.

Oh god.

From an apocalyptic level of outrage over his "early" callup, to 8 pages of "Sanchez Stud". In two innings. LOL

Apparently every series ever played is a "massive series"

Griffin is such a moron. Not even going to give him a view by opening the page. It's almost surely garbage if this thread title is any indication.

I have no idea how you perceived that through an angry tone. I don't get angry over baseball.

Oh I'm sure he would if that NL ace didn't just almost blow out his elbow and made a third of what he's making.

I'm surprised you have a problem with this FO. You sound like you'd get along great with Beeston and his track team built to sell entertainment. Spending $25M is not worth the marginal hike in ticket sales you'd get from a few of the morons that read Wilner's tweets. And if you're trying to attract fans that have an iota of sense, then like I already said, there are countless trades you can make that actually help the team in a real way, don't mortgage the future payroll, and win you more ball games.

I choose to believe that the Jays FO isn't actually a bunch of orangutan dumbasses, and must have looked at Josh Johnson's medicals before trading for him too. Look how that turned out. Knowing that, and knowing what happens year in and year out with pitching injuries, I'm not sure how much confidence I would have in a guy's medicals even if they were completely clean. I would still be looking at Cliff Lee as a guy going into his age 37 season having suffered a legitimate pitching injury the year prior. In the end it all comes down to the money. If the Phillies eat his salary, I would have no problem with the Jays giving them something like Sanchez, Nolin, Jimenez. If they don't eat any of his salary, then let alone Jimenez and Nolin, I wouldn't take him as a free salary dump. This is the same world in which the Jays tried to get their star players, who are already on ridiculously below market deals, to defer salary for a year of f***ing Ervin Santana. There's no room for a guy that makes 25M and is owed atleast a 12.5M buyout on top of that.

And I have absolutely no reason to believe that there is any truth to that. A 35 year old who hasn't thrown a pitch since May is not going to get "2013 pre-season buzz". Cliff Lee is a sabermetric pitcher and the last time he had 20+ wins was 6 years ago. The casual Toronto mongs aren't going to come out for that. If you want buzz, you can do that in hundreds of other trade possibilities that all make sense for this club and don't come along with a $50 million price tag.

Or at least sounds a lot more accurate than "sound projections with no bias at all".

I would take a healthy Lee over most pitchers in the game, but I have no reason to believe that his health is anywhere close to a guarantee right now. If there is any player in the game that can even attempt to make a claim to that guarantee, it's Mark Buehrle. Cliff Lee is a $50 million gamble, and that is not something this team can afford to make. No chance in hell. That locks the club out from doing jack s*** for the next two years, and probably even cuts into the draft budget.