saskjayfan

revenues in baseball are going up and salaries are as well. If the Jays are not committed to keeping up they won't have a chance to sign both. If they do they will push the payroll to 150 to 155 in the next few years. They're just keeping up with baseball inflation at those levels. If you think you can win signing both the revenue generation makes it a wise business decision.

Fangraphs just wrote an article about Estrada being a FIP buster. Even those that preach the holy gospel acknowledge FIP isn't absolute. A guy with an amazing change up or a guy with high velocity and great movement might not best be judged against the average. Some people don't believe there is any subjectivity on player evaluation. All there is for these people is the following: step one go to fangraphs and check out WAR. Step 2, go back to step one if you're too f***ing stupid not to realize what step one was all about. Estrada's clearly sacrificing a bucket of KFC prior to the games he has pitched in. There's no other way to explain his luck. As far as Sanchez and Osuna go, they are 2 young pitchers still developing and they could improve and their advanced statistics likely will look better if they do. It's not out of the realm of possibly for this to happen. Neither pitcher has thrown more than 130 innings in their big league career yet.

After this trade, I would bet you are disappointed!

I literally just listened to Shi's interview. His exact words were it creates a bit of a hole. I think you're guilty of shoddy reporting..lol

I like the deal, I would stretch both Osuna and Sanchez out in spring training. Starting Osuna in the minors as a starter would not be the worst option either.

alex anthopoulos is bad at baseball...can we close the thread already

I'll take the under on that bet

The AA hate on this board is hilarious.

or he moves his wife and kids to cali

the jays didn't want to spend the extra money on sending him and bats to couples counselling.

or because the team has depth with smoak/collabella, saunders, pompey and goins to go along with a starting lineup that already plays good defense and put up close to 900 runs. The team didn't need to make a lot of moves. We went with 4 solid veterin starters to go along with hutch and Stro. I would have preferred going and getting a higher end rotation guy, and look at transitioning one of the kids to a starting role, but as we saw the market for starters was very expensive and maybe this wasn't the best route either with big bats left to sign at years end. The only thing I really would have liked to see was for them to go out and sign Morrow on a flyer for a 1 year 3 mil guaranteed contract, but somehow the padres signed him to a minor league deal telling him he could have the opportunity to start. The team is built to win. I wasn't enthralled with the Happ deal when it was announced, but he has good stuff and there is upside. I'm starting to warm up to the idea of him being here. He could end up being a great signing.

a sudden jump in velocity and you're not at all concerned with the arm....doesn't velocity usually decline in pitchers as they age? The dodgers signed him into his mid 30s, so the velocity jump in his age 29 and 30 season might not play so well at age 33 and 34. You googling fangraphs and looking into the past is about what I'd expect for you. I get it, all the hits Mccarthy gives up is just bad luck.

I know. i know. No one is allowed to disagree with you. He's got a career 4.05 FIP and he's aging and injury prone. He's a ho hum pitcher getting paid what he's worth.

really good is over stating it....he is a mid to back of the rotation starter with injury issues.

I'm not going to say Cecil and Osuna are in the same category as the big 3 in New York, but Cecil at least is on the periphery of that category. Osuna is quite a ways off. Cecil had a pretty amazing season. He gave up 3 runs in his first blown season of the year in a game where the temp was 3 degrees and the wind was blowing 25 mph. Those aren't ideal conditions for a reliever who relies on his curveball. He then got the closer position pulled from him and worked to get it back and had an awful June as there were big stretches where he just didn't get any work. In the second half though Cecil was unbelievable. He gave up 0 runs in 29 1/3 innings with 40 strikeouts and 1...yes one walk. That is insane. Cecil's swing and miss percentage has always been up among the best in the game as a reliever, but he's never been able to limit the walks. He's improved every year as a reliever. If he can further limit the walk rate next year there's no reason he isn't a top 10 reliever in the league and just a bit behind where the best in the game are. When you say Brett Cecil I doubt most baseball announcers would guess he had a 11.6K/9(15% swst%) last year and 12.8K/9(16.7% swst%) the year before. Cecil is very under rated imo and far and away our best reliever.

who is this alex guy you speak of

I believe it's 31% of revenue of all teams is split and then the pool from national TV contracts and other MLB revenues is disproportionately split with rich teams receiving little to nothing. The Jays receive a fair amount of revenue in US dollars. I think holding the lines on salary has as much to do with multi billion dollar hockey contract they are committed to as it is with the state of the Jays.

i'll take that bet..lol

It's also exceedingly rare for a power hitter like EE to strike out as seldom as he does. He has such a compact swing. There isn't a lot of wasted movements in his swing. I think these are reasons to suggest he will be productive in his late 30s.

have the nats pay 7 mil of his salary and take papp on. This team has more than enough veteran leadership to deal with him

I agree on Happ and Estrada, but Stroman is a stud.

when you had a team that scored almost 900 runs and is set up to be just as good next year, there isn't really much to do. We need to sign a couple bullpen arms. I would love to see Dickey traded as part of a package for an upgrade in the rotation, but that isn't going to happen. It would be nice to see Jose or EE extended. I think that still has an outside shot of happening.

This is a guy I would have liked, but he was never going to choose the Jays over the Dodgers.

I don't think 140 is a hard cap number. The team could probably end up a few mil over.

hendriks pushed down until they trade Madson this summer. The deal comes with a lot of risk, because if he doesn't pitch well they are on the hook for a lot of cash. If he does pitch well, they buy themselves a couple of prospects for 4 or 5 mil.