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You're even worse than MaxSilver and Brownie19. I owe those guys an apology for calling them the biggest homers.

LMAO I bet you weren't saying that about Berrios last season.

Driven by his high BA. Always had a low .OBP and a lot of good luck for some seasons. I knew he would come crashing down.

Joseph Gordan Levitt needs the Angels to win the Pennant.

Yeah given the Jays have Varsho who they could move to CF, they could go after a power bat for LF instead. Would prefer to see them go after Teo or Joc Pedarson even if it means a couple more million.

I'll go with Chappy for Sunday as well

TA is the most overrated player in baseball. I remember Laika building him up in the DDL as an elite player a couple years back and I wasn't buying it lol.

He probably would come back on a 2-year-deal worth $24/25M and would be worth every penny as long as he stays healthy and plays 120-130 games per season. Though I know Varsho's value is limited in LF, so next season the Jays may use Varsho in CF and go after a power bat for LF.

Jays are 2-0 against the Red Sox when Grant77 isn't here. He's bad luck.

I'll go with Schneider again as well!

Yeah very true. AA did have his failures here in Toronto, and as a super AA homer I'll admit that unlike the Atkins homers on here haha. But considering in the span of five seasons, AA almost brought the Jays to a World Series, when it was tougher to make the Postseason. So far under Atkins in his 7+ seasons here (not counting 2016), the Jays with the current core haven't even won a Postseason series.

Can't we say the same thing with Atkins? We can compare and list every FA signing/trade and assess every single thing, but let's look at the overall picture. AA came on after the 2009 season, taking over a failed J.P. Ricciardi regime. He was left with the tough task trading the greatest Blue Jays pitcher in franchise history right from the start. Tough assignment for a rookie GM. Under AA, the Blue Jays built back the farm system into one of the best in baseball. He then used some of those assets to acquire MLB pieces. Yes some of those MLB pieces didn't work out like Josh Johnson, etc., though a lot of those prospects he moved didn't go onto having All-Star careers by any means. Musgrove the exception later on when he went to San Diego. Sure the Syndegaard deal for Dickey stung but Thor after 2016 was done anyways. But yeah I'll definitely criticize AA on that trade for RA Dickey. Definitely an overpay at the time. Dickey was solid during his time here but wasn't the same pitcher who won the Cy Young. But yeah I'll call out AA on that trade and not afraid to unlike you when it comes to Atkins. AA locked up core pieces such as Bautista and EE to extremely team friendly contract extensions which helped him afterwards add more to the core. He went out and signed Russell Martin, who was amazing during his first two seasons here and traded for Josh Donaldson who won AL MVP in 2015. Then in 2015 at the trade deadline, he made some big time moves and went after the best pitcher at the deadline in David Price, a legitimate ace at the time, traded Jose Reyes for Troy Tulowitzki who was still solid here, and also made some other nice small moves to solidify this core. They went on a big run in the second half and pretty much were World Series contenders in 2015. AA was here from 2010-2015. During those five seasons, the Jays came close to a World Series. Sucks the Royals were hot that season but otherwise on paper the Jays had the best chance at reaching a World Series since 1993, over two decades. In 2016, the Jays also had a great chance at getting to the World Series, but lost a tough matchup to a hot Cleveland team. I know Shapiro/Atkins already took over, but that 2016 team for the most part was because of AA. As for saying he only created a two-year window, we'll never know since he was never retained after 2015, so who knows. Regardless, in the span of five years, AA brought the Jays closer to a World Series than Atkins has done in 8 years. As well, the Jays during AA's tenure didn't have the two extra WC spots as Atkins had in 2022 and moving forward. So definitely to make the Postseason in 2015 and 2016, it was tougher for the Jays. Right now the Jays wouldn't be making the Postseason if the new WC and Postseason matchups weren't in effect.

I'm not daily criticizing the Bassitt contract lol. I made a comment on some of the good deals Atkins made and some of the questionable ones, with Bassitt mentioned in the questionable. Brownie19 then got his pitch forks and went all Karen to start an argument haha.

MaxSilver just proved otherwise. Brownie19 will be sharing his input shortly as well lol.

LMAO of course its up to debate with you hahaha!

Hopefully we see more of this from Manoah! Also, great to see the Jays finally use the long ball. Hopefully its the start of this lineup raking.

lmao!!!

I would like to see Manoah do it a couple more times before declaring he's back. Tonight was definitely encouraging though. If Manoah can right the ship, definitely puts the Jays in a better position down the stretch and in the Postseason.

While I'm at it to get you homers started and fired up: AA was a better GM and baseball mind during his time with the Jays than Atkins has been!

You never think any criticism of this FO is warranted haha. Again, my main argument was not arguing Gibson is a better signing that Bassitt. I was mainly criticizing the Jays for handing over 60M to an aging starter who is more of a No. 3/4 guy. Just was using Gibson as an example, showing how the Orioles don't have a long term commitment and will have money to spend whereas the Jays have 20M each tied up the next two seasons to Bassitt after this. But you flipped it around making it sound like I was complaining the Jays should have signed Gibson instead of Bassitt. Of course, with every move Atkins makes, you're going to give him a free pass, using execuses or saying well yeah the Jays had to overpay, defending him. I bet you even defend him on signing Morales and Roark lol Again, I have nothing wrong with Bassitt. He's been decent this season and hasn't been awful. Not a fan of him paying him 40M over the next two seasons when this team is up against the luxury tax threshold. That was my main argument and you with Brownie flipped turning around everything to fit your agenda!

I'm not pissing and moaning, just stating that its not one of Atkins better FA signings. Given how this team is close to the luxary tax threshold, that $20M each season towards Bassitt in 2024 and 2025 could prove costly and tie up the hands of this FO from adding another significant piece during the offseason or at the trade deadline, unless Rogers approves it. You're one of the biggest homers on this board. Anytime anyone criticizes Atkins, you come rushing to his defense. You pretty much think Atkins can do no wrong and its sickening. Not worth arguing with you and Brownie who pretty much both wear blinders when its come to Atkins and this FO.

They have the best GM in baseball.

Yup, some players might never be the same after a concussion agreed. It's tough to point his struggles this season on his concussion last September given his age already and decline, but it could be a possibility.

Yup, cherry pick arguments now as you do with stats to defend this front office. You're another huge homer and apologist on this board! I'm not bemoaning how the front office failed to sign Gibson. I was using it as an example how he has been more valuable than Bassitt so far and only has a one-year commitment versus 3 years. I was criticizing Atkins on giving an aging starter like Bassitt $60M over 3 years.

Where did I ever suggest Atkins is s***? I've criticized him and also have praised him as well regarding FA signings/trades. I've never said he's s***. He's done a solid job and has put together a competitive team over the last couple of years and they should remain competitive. Is Atkins incredible like you praise him to be? So far from 2021-2023, he hasn't taken this team to the next level. The Jays still remain just a team competing for the WC and they haven't won a Postseason series with this squad. He hasn't locked up core players like Bo, which leaves question marks for this team after 2025. The farm system hasn't developed players or pitchers that could be called up and step in. This team is already at the luxury tax threshold with the current roster. You and some other posters have a lovefest with Atkins for some reason where in your eyes he's been perfect and can't do any wrong. You defend every decision and move he makes.