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lol you said you provided stats in your post and you didn't.

So tell me what was wrong with my response to your post? Sure you might disagree but there is no need for you and even posters like Term to overreact and go crazy. This board has really gone down hill over the last year and a half. I never recalled so many posters ever as condescending or treating other well respected posters like idiots when they contribute or add anything to the conversation.

You love sitting on the sidelines and love instigating arguments between others on this board. You're pretty much rooting for arguments to take place, taking a side and then trash talking the side you disagree with. Like your responses to other posts directed at me.

My response to your post Jay: And I'm being attacked for stating this by all you Blue Jays homers. Geez!

Lmao I don't see any stats...

Yes he's a platoon bat, not an everyday player. The Jays utilized him very well against RHP only. He only played in 103 games due to his age and injuries, which was expected. I don't think anyone on here expected Belt to play 150 games at his age and given his injury history. Nothing against Belt's season, he was outstanding this year and provided the Jays with excellent value. I just wouldn't consider him in the same class as a Corbin Carroll or Ketel Marte offensively this season.

What ignorance? I'm talking about my main post in response to yours about how it could be debatable on who had a better lineup this season, the Jays or D'Backs. I brought up Belt because some posters on here were mentioning him as if he were on the same level as Carroll or Marte offensively.

You really do love just sitting on the sidelines.

What is wrong in saying that could it be debatable on which lineup is better? Should read my original post and you'll see that it made sense.

Yeah his numbers in the PS have been awful. Misunderstood your post and thought you were referring to his numbers from the regular season.

My point is that Belt was a platoon bat this season who mainly faced against RHP which is why he had a 138 wRC+ on the season. You can't take that at face value and place him on the same level as Corbin Carroll or Ketel Marte, who both played everyday against both RHP and LHP. If you started Belt against lefties as well, his overall offensive numbers on the season would have been worse.

I never asked if he would have a 138 wRC+ strictly vs. LHP. I asked if he was playing everyday and hitting vs. LHP as well, would his wRC+ overall have been 138 this season. As well you didn't understand the context I was asking that question. When comparing Arizona and Toronto bats, some posters on here were throwing around Belt's name and his 138 wRC+ as if he were an elite player, when not considering the fact that he was platooning most of the season and only hitting against RHP mainly. I place more value in a player who could play everyday against both RHP and LHP. Carroll and Marte for instance. Belt shouldn't be used in the same conversation.

Not really, he just proved my point against yours.

Belt is just a platoon bat. Yes he had an outstanding season, but if playing everyday he wouldn't have been as effective.

Not a stupid question at all when some posters on here are using Belt's season and comparing him with top bats in Arizona's lineup like Corbin Carroll. So my point that Brandon Belt is just a platoon player and he shouldn't even be used in the same discussion as some other bats.

If Brandon Belt was an everyday player, hitting against LHP as well, would his wRC+ be 138?

Today was the first time I posted anything in this thread since Thursday lol.

What did I say wrong or controversial? Both lineups weren't anything special in 2023. You can debate all day long whether who had a better lineup, the Jays or D'Backs. It's not black and white was all I said. When the Jays lineup is clicking like it was in 2021 (even when you exclude Semien), it definitely is much better. Though that wasn't the case in 2023. Overall the Jays lineup as a whole in 2023 performed poorly and below expectations. It's kind of hilarious how you and others continue to rip on the D'Backs constantly in order to defend the disappointing season the Jays had.

If Player A and Player B posted a similar wRC+ and WAR, would have the Jays lineup this season benefited more having Player A who hit around 25 HR's this season and who played everyday or having Player B with little power, who only hit 8 HR's and who was just a platoon bat?

Lmao he would have led the Jays in HR's this season. Jays lineup could have really used a 30-HR bat.

It's not black and white. It can be debatable. Blue Jays had more bats with a wRC+ over 100 so yeah they had a deeper lineup, but nobody really had a huge standout year offensively. A lot of Jays bats like KK, Springer, Biggio, Chapman, Jansen and Kirk were pretty much all around 100 wRC+ and had meh numbers offensively. Belt was outstanding, but he was used strictly in a platoon role and only played against RHP. Bo was really the only bat who performed at a high level offensively on a day-to-day basis. Vladdy wasn't that bad as well according to wRC+ but still a huge underperformance for what was expected and could have been better in other areas. D'Backs got an MVP performance from Corbin Carroll and both Ketel Marte and Christian Walker had really strong years offensively. Their top 3 bats were better than the Jays top 3 bats this season offensively IMO. The rest of the D'Backs lineup was meh, but even a player like Gurriel who just had a 106 wRC+ also provided 24 HR's while someone like KK who had a similar wRC+ of 104 just hit 8 HR's and only played against RHP. Overall, both lineups weren't anything special in 2023. D'Backs got better performances from their star players, whereas the star players on the Blue Jays like Vlad and Springer underperformed. If this Blue Jays lineup was hitting like they did in 2021 (even minus Semien), they have a much better lineup.

I need more consistency from a second goalie. Demko has been great so far, but need Korpisalo or Raanta to start playing better. Being without two big forwards in Laine and Landeskog sucks. I need a breakthrough from one of my younger players. Drury needs to be better, he has sucked in 9 games thus far. Can't just rely on Pastrnak carrying my entire offense.

Should I call up Adam Fantilli?

The Hurl is an old man, he probably forgets which day it is during the week and probably doesn't even remember he manages a fantasy hockey team.

Yeah definitely a gutsy performance. Kelly is like a bulldog on the mound. Reminds me a bit of Shaun Marcum.