John_Havok

Yep its a give, and both sides agreed that a bonus pool should be used. THey just differ on the amounts. Meeting in the middle would be meeting at 55 million. Get it done and get on the field.

"Players aren’t looking to meet in the middle, they’re digging in." What are the owners doing? They're moving just as slow as the players. Union wants 110 million bonus pool, comes down 5 million. MLB wants 10 million, goes up 5. Can't put the "not willing to meet in the middle" squarely on the players side.

I think they will be content with winning this round. I suspect greatly that if the owner's gave in to the minimum salary requirements, or at least much closer to their requested # (say ... 700K minimum with 25K annual escalators) the union would quite likely back off the CBT and accept # much closer to where it is right now. I dont think the union is dead set on winning 3 or more "large victories" but they have to appear that they are willing to to get the actual win that they want.

MLS owners have "run out of ideas..." LOL

They did it in 1994/95 when the strike was on. Pete Rose Jr was among the scabs

The ownership group gave a deadline yesterday that if no deal is in place by the 28th, regular season games will be missed and NOT made up. Which, if the Union is serious means expanded playoffs will be off the table as of Monday if no deal is in place. Owners do not want that. Expanded playoffs is another massive revenue haul they do not want to miss out on.

Cant even begin to imagine the erection over a lineup of: Springer J-Ram Vlad Freeman Teoscar Bo Gurriel Biggio Jansen/Kirk Or whatever order the last 3 go in, doesnt matter... that top 6 is murderous.

I'd love to get him at 4/120. THat would be fun.

You also need to take into account all the peripheral income owners receive from baseball related, but not direct baseball operations that they never report as basbeall income. Baseball owners are not hurting by any stretch of the imagination. And as far as streaming goes, whatever current baseball TV deals are signed or coming into play as of this year, streaming doesnt impact that at all. The contracts are already signed, the dollars are already committed. It will only impact potential future deals, but don't think for a second that the teams won't be getting a pretty big slice of that pie. As for the advertising... if the owners aren't even willing to increase base pay by 50k per year, why would they willingly give up millions of ad revenue from player patches? Those patches won't be cheap and you won't see any from Al's Gas n Sip. They'll be multibillion dollar corporations paying through the nose for exposure.

Writeups on the Jays: 10. Gabriel Moreno, C, TOR Age 22.0 Height 5′ 11″ Weight 210 Bat / Thr R / R FV 60 Tool Grades (Present/Future) Hit..........Raw Power.....Game Power......Run.....Fielding......Throw 55/60.......50/50..........40/45..............50/50.....45/50.......50 The most athletic catcher to come along since J.T. Realmuto, Moreno’s 2021 power output was a bit of a caricature, but his bat-to-ball ability is real and spectacular. As much as any prospect could break out during the dark 2020 minor league season, Moreno broke out. He was fairly well-regarded coming out of 2019, then was seen on alternate site video, during instructs, and later in the Venezuelan Winter League, where he hit .373/.471/.508. The length of his year was as close as any catching prospect came to replicating a full season behind the dish in 2020, and there was already enough buzz at that point for us to include Moreno on last year’s Top 100. Then 2021 began and Moreno started on an epic tear, slugging .650 at Double-A New Hampshire before missing a couple of months with a fractured thumb. He ended up playing in just shy of 40 regular season games, then picked up reps during the Arizona Fall and Venezuelan Winter Leagues. The visual evaluation of Moreno’s power does not support the idea that he can slug .500, his career mark. One could argue that’s because he was most widely seen coming off a hand injury that might dilute his power, but his batted ball data from before the injury also indicates his Double-A output was inflated. You can’t fake an 11% strikeout rate, though, which is Moreno’s career mark. While he’s an aggressive hitter who sometimes takes fundamentally unsound swings, he has 70-grade bat control and tends to find a way to poke, spray, and slash contact all over the field. He can square high-end velocity, and though his overall hit tool grade projects below his raw barrel control due to his flawed approach, there’s enough offense to make him an All-Star offensive performer at catcher. He also has rare speed for the position and has an overall skill set like that of a less-toolsy Jason Kendall. Defensively, Moreno catches on one knee until there are runners on or there are two strikes, then sets up in a very wide crouch as if he’s always preparing to block a breaking ball in the dirt. He’ll sometimes finish on one knee in an effort to frame a pitch on the edge, even if he didn’t start there. He popped in the 1.95-1.98 range during Fall League, a slightly above-average range of times for throws down to second base. 32. Orelvis Martinez, 3B, TOR Signed: July 2nd Period, 2018 from Dominican Republic (TOR) Age 20.3 Height 6′ 1″ Weight 195 Bat / Thr R / R FV 55 Tool Grades (Present/Future) Hit...........Raw Power..Game Power......Run.........Fielding........Throw 30/45.......50/60........35/60...............45/40.......30/45..........55 One of the most significant talents in the 2018 international class, Martinez projects as a prototypical power-hitting third baseman. After destroying Low-A, Martinez posted a league-average batting line during a month at High-A Vancouver, which would be impressive even without a .197 BABIP anchoring his line. Before the promotion, he had more than a 10% barrel rate at Low-A and his top exit velocity was over 110 mph. Between that and a pretty healthy walk and strikeout mix, you have the foundation of a very impressive offensive talent. If anything, the visual report glows even brighter than the statistics. A tick above six-feet tall, Martinez is a chiseled athlete with explosive rotational ability. His bat-to-ball skills are advanced for a High-A hitter, never mind the youngest one in the league. He also adapted very quickly to the circuit’s better arms, bashing nine homers and walking six times in his final nine games after an uneasy start. Like any 19-year-old, there is some risk in the profile. Hit tool volatility is one potential variable: Martinez’s current timing mechanism leaves him vulnerable to soft stuff and he’ll lunge at quality breaking balls if he’s expecting something else. He also thinks he can drive anything in on his hands, and while he’s often right, pitchers can induce defensive swings if they’re able to get in his kitchen. Some of the contact he makes is thus very soft when he gets off-balance, which leaves lingering questions about how his approach will fare against a steadier diet of better breaking balls. And defensively, he’s a little raw for short. His hands weren’t great in former contributor Brendan Gawlowski’s looks last season, and while he’s quick under way, a slow first step suggests that a move down the defensive spectrum is likely as he physically matures; we have Martinez projected to third base. Ultimately, though, this is a great athlete who has performed as a teenager against much older competition. The bat should play anywhere, and if he’s able to stick on the left side of the infield, he has an All-Star ceiling.

Exactly. Im glad the union is sticking to it's guns this time. Baseball has clearly changed in the age group of players that make up the majority of the player base. The rise of analytics has stopped owners from ridiculously overpaying aging veterans for past performances, and relying heavily on younger players in their 1st 3 years of service time. As a result, payrolls have gone DOWN on average, while revenues and profits have gone way up. That's the Coles notes version of this negotiation.Young players with no negotiating power are relied upon to provide huge amounts of value to the product the owners are selling and the union has decided this is the right time to fight that fight. When the under 3 year players take 60+% of Plate appearances yet account for ... 4% of payroll (yes there's a lot of nuance and details in there that are not adequately conveyed by those general numbers) that's a clear indicator that something needs to change. No it shouldn't be a free for all, and no it probably should never come close to 60% of payroll. Even the PA's current proposals would only move the needle into the 7%ish range so it's not like the owners would suddenly be racked with hundreds of millions of more dollars in salary obligations. They're getting more revenue streams, they're relying on young players to be their product, so they need to pay them more.

That means its okay for all employees to just be employed. Employement is a such a privilege they need to be greatful to the owners and take whatever they deem worthy to give.

They also offered a REDUCTION in the amount of players eligible for arbitration and lowered their draft pick #. IF you reduce the number of arbitration eligible players (ie reducing the cost of those players contracts in the process) you ask for concessions elsewhere. That's how it works. Looking at 1 aspect of the offer and whining about it being a backwards step is as shortsighted and blatantly cherry picky as there is. Bowden has his head so far up the ownership groups ass he can probably see what they had for lunch.

Take nothing Bowden says with any seriousness. He's 100% in the owners corner and this was not a "moving backwards" proposal by any stretch of the imagination

Dont worry man, the kinds of games selling for that kind of money are factory sealed, never opened or seen the light of day kind of thing. I doubt that's what you were giving away to your cousins kids.

Feels like the union is sensing some weakness in the ownership group and their very real desire not to miss any games and risk losing the expanded playoff revenue and are really going for the throat.

This thread still hasn't passed awway yet?

Ive read a lot of speculation and saw a graph that showed that when the current revenue sharing agreement was updated, player salaries overall started to go down. Essentially, since there's no real direction for where revenue sharing money gets spent by the recveiving teams, they just take it and pocket it rather than spending on players, which is where it was intended to be spent. Nothing concrete though. The union wants some sort of teeth in the RSA that would penalize teams that receive it and don't see any correlating player salary expenditure increases. Not like "you received 50 million in revenue sharing, your payroll needs to go up by 50 million" but something that shows these teams are using the revenue sharing for it's intended purpose.

I don’t think it’s the meager savings in the off-season that changes anything. What’s about to change is the money they won’t be making from the new TV deals starting this year, the new ad revenues from player uniforms, the new gambling revenue and the expanded playoff revenues the players have said will be nixed if a full season doesn’t happen. The owners will give at some point this time around, there’s too much new money they’re giving up on if they don’t

Yeah, i mean, we've already seen and experienced Jansen's worst and he was still positive value. There's nothing in Jansen's game that says he's not starting calibre anywhere in baseball.

Freud would say it's related to some sort of repressed urge to bang your own mother.

Granted I dont know how many people Law gets his reports from, but knowing how many sources BA, Kiley and Fangraphs have to get theirs, because they tell you... . i don't give much weight to Law's rankings at all.

tongue may be in cheek there but it actually could be a detriment to the hitters to have 4+ days off in a row. timing could be way off for the first couple of games.

Im still trying to figure out which posts didnt age well. Seems like theyre all fine and in the exact same condition as they were when they were posted.

I like this. Having the top team advance gives them an advatnage to set their rotations up perfectly, and having the next two division winners pick their opponents will add a nice layer of drama and motivation to the teams getting picked.