John_Havok

Exactly. Im glad the union is sticking to it's guns this time. Baseball has clearly changed in the age group of players that make up the majority of the player base. The rise of analytics has stopped owners from ridiculously overpaying aging veterans for past performances, and relying heavily on younger players in their 1st 3 years of service time. As a result, payrolls have gone DOWN on average, while revenues and profits have gone way up. That's the Coles notes version of this negotiation.Young players with no negotiating power are relied upon to provide huge amounts of value to the product the owners are selling and the union has decided this is the right time to fight that fight. When the under 3 year players take 60+% of Plate appearances yet account for ... 4% of payroll (yes there's a lot of nuance and details in there that are not adequately conveyed by those general numbers) that's a clear indicator that something needs to change. No it shouldn't be a free for all, and no it probably should never come close to 60% of payroll. Even the PA's current proposals would only move the needle into the 7%ish range so it's not like the owners would suddenly be racked with hundreds of millions of more dollars in salary obligations. They're getting more revenue streams, they're relying on young players to be their product, so they need to pay them more.

That means its okay for all employees to just be employed. Employement is a such a privilege they need to be greatful to the owners and take whatever they deem worthy to give.

They also offered a REDUCTION in the amount of players eligible for arbitration and lowered their draft pick #. IF you reduce the number of arbitration eligible players (ie reducing the cost of those players contracts in the process) you ask for concessions elsewhere. That's how it works. Looking at 1 aspect of the offer and whining about it being a backwards step is as shortsighted and blatantly cherry picky as there is. Bowden has his head so far up the ownership groups ass he can probably see what they had for lunch.

Take nothing Bowden says with any seriousness. He's 100% in the owners corner and this was not a "moving backwards" proposal by any stretch of the imagination

Dont worry man, the kinds of games selling for that kind of money are factory sealed, never opened or seen the light of day kind of thing. I doubt that's what you were giving away to your cousins kids.

Feels like the union is sensing some weakness in the ownership group and their very real desire not to miss any games and risk losing the expanded playoff revenue and are really going for the throat.

This thread still hasn't passed awway yet?

Ive read a lot of speculation and saw a graph that showed that when the current revenue sharing agreement was updated, player salaries overall started to go down. Essentially, since there's no real direction for where revenue sharing money gets spent by the recveiving teams, they just take it and pocket it rather than spending on players, which is where it was intended to be spent. Nothing concrete though. The union wants some sort of teeth in the RSA that would penalize teams that receive it and don't see any correlating player salary expenditure increases. Not like "you received 50 million in revenue sharing, your payroll needs to go up by 50 million" but something that shows these teams are using the revenue sharing for it's intended purpose.

I don’t think it’s the meager savings in the off-season that changes anything. What’s about to change is the money they won’t be making from the new TV deals starting this year, the new ad revenues from player uniforms, the new gambling revenue and the expanded playoff revenues the players have said will be nixed if a full season doesn’t happen. The owners will give at some point this time around, there’s too much new money they’re giving up on if they don’t

Yeah, i mean, we've already seen and experienced Jansen's worst and he was still positive value. There's nothing in Jansen's game that says he's not starting calibre anywhere in baseball.

Freud would say it's related to some sort of repressed urge to bang your own mother.

Granted I dont know how many people Law gets his reports from, but knowing how many sources BA, Kiley and Fangraphs have to get theirs, because they tell you... . i don't give much weight to Law's rankings at all.

tongue may be in cheek there but it actually could be a detriment to the hitters to have 4+ days off in a row. timing could be way off for the first couple of games.

Im still trying to figure out which posts didnt age well. Seems like theyre all fine and in the exact same condition as they were when they were posted.

I like this. Having the top team advance gives them an advatnage to set their rotations up perfectly, and having the next two division winners pick their opponents will add a nice layer of drama and motivation to the teams getting picked.

This tells us the meeting was not about core economic issues.

Acuna Jr should call have called Soto and asked for negotiating tips.

The balls on that guy….that’s some serious money to risk on me idiot pitcher that loses his grip on fastball and shatters his forearm….or runs into a wall chasing down a fly and jams a shoulder. 27 million per year is nearly UFA money. I could never turn that down in my wildest dreams

When's the last time you can recall 4 catchers in the top 11 including the #1?

Naw not really, just poking the obvious holes in Manfred's libne of how owning a baseball team isn't a good investment and the owners see low returns. It's kinda laughable

His upper body looks noticebaly bigger as well. Hope it doesnt mess with his swing mechanics but he does look noticeably better compared to 2 years ago

43 actually. Getting some pre-requisite classes done before hoping to get a degree in Nutrition in the next 4-ish years. The program requires 30 University level credits from certain classes before you can even apply to it. Working on Biology right now, the Diversity of Life, with 2 classes of Chemistry and 1 more english lit class to go.

Yeah, the returns are really only expressed when the asset is sold. Until then it's just "value" sitting on a spreadsheet somewhere.

Why could the Raps not just do the same thing? I know very little of how the NBA salary structure works.

Here's one way to do it: https://www.appraisaleconomics.com/sports-team-valuation-appraisal/ Coles' notes version - Over the past decade, MLB franchises have been sold for prices that equate to between approximately 1.5 and 3.0 times total revenue. Teams in larger metropolitan statistical areas (MSAs) with higher levels of average disposable income, lucrative long-term cable television contracts, and new stadiums where the team has significant rights to stadium income (naming rights fees, concession sales, etc.) will command multiples at the high end of the range. Conversely, teams in smaller MSAs, with less lucrative media rights contracts, and older stadiums, typically fetch multiples at the lower end of the range.