John_Havok

So should having Ohtani and Trout for 6 years and not making the playoffs.

I know, that's why they wont land Ohtani. It would be the height of stupidity for the Orioles to trade for Ohtani they way they are set up

Spekaing of the pen, I missed the entire game after the 3rd inning last night, how did the new lefty look?

5 years ago Vlad was the best prospect in a generation.

I don't think a deal does get done without him, which is why he won't be going to the Orioles. I know it doesnt make sense, and im not great as explaining all the nuances rattling around in my brain. but at the end of the day, the orioles arent getting ohtani for a whole host of reasons.

If you were the GM and you didnt demand Holliday, you wouldnt have a job. Sure, you might not end up with Holliday, but you still start the conversation with that ask. And of course the team with Holliday doesnt offer him up... jesus, is everyone around here new and not understand how negotiation works?

And if the Jays had Ohtani, and were in the Angels position right now and we knew we were trading him, what would you want back? You'd damn sure be demanding Holliday as the main piece.

I know exactly what everything means. I know that the hypothetical win value of Holliday over the next 7 seasons is worth more hypothetical wins than 3 months of Ohtani. Looking at win values is only one way to evaluate trades, an important one for sure, but not the be all end all. Im not acting like Ohtani is worth any more actual wins than he is, but the # of wins vs what wins he ends up being responsible for are two entirely different things. No Jays fan gives two flying shits they traded Jeff Kent for David Cone, because a World Series banner flew at the end of the playoffs. From a win value perspective, that trade was horrendous. You're not trading for Ohtani to give you 10 wins in the last 2 months of the season, youre trading for him to get you post season wins.

Yeah, and if that's all the Angels could get for Ohtani, they did it wrong. The sim value can only be so accurate with guys like Ohtani and prospects.

The #1 talent in MLB history doesnt get traded without the #1 prospect in baseball being included, IF the team trading for him has that #1 prospect. Either way, LA isn't going to get true value for him, because that's impossible.

They wouldnt get him without Holliday in the package. Well, at least they shouldn't give Ohtani up without Holliday being in the deal. Moreno is an idiot at the end of the day. Either way, my point is the Orioles system is so strong they don't really need to go all in on a rental when they have no chance to resign him. They're set up perfectly right now that any deal they do should be for guys with multiple years of control, not rentals. IF there was even the most remote possibility they could resign him, then yes, they could and should go for it. Toronto is kind of in a different place, it would acually make more sense for Toronto to go after Ohtani given the current money, team contracts and standings. 1st place in the East would not be out of reach with Ohtani in the fold and this being the first of the next few all-in seasons with Bo and Vlad and the rest of the guys who are signed through 2025... sure. It would be a marketing dream for Rogers too for the last few months of the season also. Gotta keep those cell phone plans selling. But yeah, does Toronto have the chips to do the deal? Probably not. I wouldn't dismiss it entirely though. Moreno is an idiot at the end of the day.

I would love the Orioles to trade for Ohtani. Let them gut their system for 2 months of a guy they could never even hope to resign. I’d love to see Holliday and 3+ others head off to LA instead of being in division. Never happen though. Angelos and company are morons, but they aren’t that dumb.

That will either be very good, or very bad

Belt just missed that…dang

Realistically only 2 guys had good PAs. Hopefully second time around they lock in. This happened pretty regularly when the Jays haven’t seen a pitcher yet, they look like rusty gates the first time through.

For someone as fat as Kirk is he doesn’t seem all that interested in meatballs.

To be fair, Freeman got lucky on his squib to SS, that could easily have been an out also

Jesus…

Can’t imagine what this entitled fanbase would even think at that point. Must have aces 1-5 in their 2nd year of control with 8 3-WAR closers making league minimum, at least 3 MVP candidates and 9 all star position players or the GM would need to be fired.

No doubt, that way you could use a Garcia as that 1st option fireman earlier in games while still having multiple reliable strikeout arms to get them to the backend guys. It would also be exceptionally excellent if Cabrera proves useful

Yeah I remember that outing, utter dominance. He also tends to leave his slider very crushable.

Looks to me like his breaking balls are very identifiable out of his hand allowing hitters to completely lay off them. I’d also suspect he’s tipping as that seems to be a common theme this season and a guy that throws 97-100 shouldn’t be having his heat squared up as much as it is.

Another pitching matchup where virtually 0 jays have seen the pitcher before. He’s nothing special though. Throws a ton of strikes and leaves a lot of those strikes over the heart of the plate. July 24 (10:10pm) Vladdy - 1 Point - Springer - 2 Points - Belt - 2 Points - John Havok Chapman - 3 Points - Dylan Varsho - 4 Points - JaysAllMighty Kirk - 5 Points - Merrifield - 6 Points - Kiermaier - 7 Points - Espinal - 7 Points - Off the bench: 10 Points - Abomination

Well there is the mutal option for 2024, which of course will be turned down by Bellinger at this point unless he gets catastophically injured. Comeback player of the year bonus of 1 million too. Belli is taking home 17.5 minimum, could get 18.5 with that bonus. Not bad at all.

I think i'd still bet on Teo not being a good OF going forward rather than looking at this season where he's doing well and thinking he's turned a corner.