John_Havok

I think if anyone was trding for him it would be with the plan to decline that option in any case. 111 wRC+ against lefties this season, 132 career. Cheap acquisition to be sure, but not sure he would be what they'd be looking for as a true lefty killing threat.

Cardinals and Hicks nearing a contract extension reports Katie Woo of the Athletic. Woo suggests there’s a good chance a deal can be finalized within the next day. That pretty much takes him off the trade market.

I think youre %s on the 3-4 WAR and even 2-3 WAR SP are high. It's probably closer to 1% and 5%

There's a decent argument for the jays to trade for him, but it's so far out of the realm of possibility it's not really worth discussing.

There's a very tiny chance, but I'd rather just see him air it out in the pen and focus on either the curve or slider.

Arte Moreno has entered the chat.

Kike Hernandez traded to the Dodgers. The Sox are receiving Nick Robertson and Justin Hagenman, tweets Jeff Passan of ESPN. Boston will pay down $2.5MM of Hernandez’s salary

Dan Duquette. He was also widely lambasted for that trade for not getting near enough value back. Either way, Ohtani isnt going to the Os so it's all really just pointless banter

Who made that trade for the Orioles?

There's talk now Ryu wont be activated until after the deadline, though could still start against the Angels. Right now things are lined up to see Gausman vs Ohtani. Yes please.

Just watched all his pitches, Definitely has some great life on them. looks like Taylor was picking him up really well, but the lefties were not. Will be a real weapon against lefties

If that was a possibility it would have been done already.

Starting a series with Detroit tonight, then 3 games in Toronto, and then going to Atlanta before the deadline. I suspect they will be further away from a wildcard by the deadline

So should having Ohtani and Trout for 6 years and not making the playoffs.

I know, that's why they wont land Ohtani. It would be the height of stupidity for the Orioles to trade for Ohtani they way they are set up

Spekaing of the pen, I missed the entire game after the 3rd inning last night, how did the new lefty look?

5 years ago Vlad was the best prospect in a generation.

I don't think a deal does get done without him, which is why he won't be going to the Orioles. I know it doesnt make sense, and im not great as explaining all the nuances rattling around in my brain. but at the end of the day, the orioles arent getting ohtani for a whole host of reasons.

If you were the GM and you didnt demand Holliday, you wouldnt have a job. Sure, you might not end up with Holliday, but you still start the conversation with that ask. And of course the team with Holliday doesnt offer him up... jesus, is everyone around here new and not understand how negotiation works?

And if the Jays had Ohtani, and were in the Angels position right now and we knew we were trading him, what would you want back? You'd damn sure be demanding Holliday as the main piece.

I know exactly what everything means. I know that the hypothetical win value of Holliday over the next 7 seasons is worth more hypothetical wins than 3 months of Ohtani. Looking at win values is only one way to evaluate trades, an important one for sure, but not the be all end all. Im not acting like Ohtani is worth any more actual wins than he is, but the # of wins vs what wins he ends up being responsible for are two entirely different things. No Jays fan gives two flying shits they traded Jeff Kent for David Cone, because a World Series banner flew at the end of the playoffs. From a win value perspective, that trade was horrendous. You're not trading for Ohtani to give you 10 wins in the last 2 months of the season, youre trading for him to get you post season wins.

Yeah, and if that's all the Angels could get for Ohtani, they did it wrong. The sim value can only be so accurate with guys like Ohtani and prospects.

The #1 talent in MLB history doesnt get traded without the #1 prospect in baseball being included, IF the team trading for him has that #1 prospect. Either way, LA isn't going to get true value for him, because that's impossible.

They wouldnt get him without Holliday in the package. Well, at least they shouldn't give Ohtani up without Holliday being in the deal. Moreno is an idiot at the end of the day. Either way, my point is the Orioles system is so strong they don't really need to go all in on a rental when they have no chance to resign him. They're set up perfectly right now that any deal they do should be for guys with multiple years of control, not rentals. IF there was even the most remote possibility they could resign him, then yes, they could and should go for it. Toronto is kind of in a different place, it would acually make more sense for Toronto to go after Ohtani given the current money, team contracts and standings. 1st place in the East would not be out of reach with Ohtani in the fold and this being the first of the next few all-in seasons with Bo and Vlad and the rest of the guys who are signed through 2025... sure. It would be a marketing dream for Rogers too for the last few months of the season also. Gotta keep those cell phone plans selling. But yeah, does Toronto have the chips to do the deal? Probably not. I wouldn't dismiss it entirely though. Moreno is an idiot at the end of the day.

I would love the Orioles to trade for Ohtani. Let them gut their system for 2 months of a guy they could never even hope to resign. I’d love to see Holliday and 3+ others head off to LA instead of being in division. Never happen though. Angelos and company are morons, but they aren’t that dumb.