John_Havok

From a money standpoint…yeah, but from a winning games standpoint it seems like a clear downgrade. Desclafani is maybe a 4 SP, Haniger will probably only get 200 PA and be hurt the rest of the time. Ray still has ace upside. Unless they are about announce a FA pitcher signing the move is puzzling from an on-field standpoint.

Seattle and Tampa now working on a deal involving Luke Raley going to Seattle and Cabalero going back to Tampa. I guess Raley and Haniger can platoon?

This trade makes zero sense.

Part of what you say is true, but what about the chances that those teams you mentioned aren’t better? You have to factor that in as well. This is the kind of thinking that permeates fanbases, they always think the other teams in their divisions are the only ones that will be better and only their team will be worse. Baltimore won’t win 101 games in 2024

The money laundering thing is related to him allegedly paying money to the mother, so maybe it’s a different definition of money laundering than up here?

Yeah. I think the only team that would be a total surprise at winning the AL East is Boston. Baltimore will have tons of hype and expectations based on last years 101 wins, and mindless mouth breathers will definitely just say they’re the team to beat because they don’t think past last years win totals when it comes to projecting the upcoming season. I’d guess they’d project somewhere around 87-92 wins, just like Tampa, the Jays and the Yanks likely will.

I’m guessing they might help take the edge off the side effects from the anti-psychotics he is clearly taking, but not very regularly.

It’s really just the baseball version of “the grass is greener…” syndrome. Even though the RC doesn’t actually have grass…

I didnt making any insinuations on how the Jays management specifically accepts last season, just that ownership and management in general don’t view an organizations successes in the same black and white basics that fans do. Hell, owners likely view success differently than front offices do as well. Ownership wants to make money. There is a correlation to championships and money of course, but it’s not the direct linear line that people expect. The big market teams don’t need to win WS and they’ll still make hundreds of millions of dollars more than any small market team like Baltimore even if the Os win 3 of the next 4 WS, not that it would ever happen since the team is owned by cheapskates who pocket all the money rather than spend it. Yes, publicly they have to say they want to win because that’s what you say. But the reality is, the owners only care about the money, winning is just for bragging rights at Epstein Island while they get their taints fondled by sex trafficked slaves. Front office guys..yeah they still care more about winning because that’s what their bragging rights are. That’s their ego filler, their metaphorical dick measuring device. But the front office of Tampa and the front office of the Dodgers definitely don’t have the same kind of expectations, so how happy the FOs are with their winning is definitely some kind of sliding scale. Tampas FO should be nowhere near as pissed as not winning the WS as the Dodgers, Mets, Braves, etc….given the discrepancies in assets.

Good explanation. It pretty much encapsulates how fans think vs how successful business people (sports executives included) think. Fans demand instant gratification and anything less means the GM should be fired. Hitter has a bad month he should be traded. Closer blows 2 straight saves? DFA…he’s worthless. No WS this season? Fire the entire front office before selling the team to someone who actually wants to win. They don’t understand variance or the massive scale of these operations and probably don’t care. Most posters here at least have a better understanding of the game and aren’t Sportsnet article comment section level morons. It’s just that they all have different definitions of what a successful franchise is. It seems to me there’s only 3 or 4 main categories that fans use to determine a successful franchise. Championship wins, playoff series wins, regular season records and how much money is spent to achieve those things. Different people would weight each category differently because reasons. No weighting is ever really “right” …because it’s subjective for each fan. Execs and Owners of course have completely different categories and far different weighting

Bader signed by the Mets, basically a Kiermaier deal. 1/10m, though some are reporting 1/10.5

I meant Theo Epstein.

So I guess Franco is on Epstein’s list? Maybe the mom too

You can slam Atkins all you want but you leave Barry Horowitz out of this!!!!!

You wanted him to mime squeezing some chicks ass at work?

Red Sox claimed Max Castillo from the Royals, that puts their 40 man roster full assuming Giolitos deal becomes official

It’s not super cut and dried. Every season he’s been fully healthy he’s out it 1.6 or higher. If Green is healthy for 70+ innings, I don’t think 1.5 is a crazy expectation.

Since none of us degenerates were drunk enough to make this thread on New Year’s Day, here it is. Enjoy bitches!

Same. Pederson would ne a nice addition.

You’re assuming 40 million is the number, not necessarily true. But what you said speaks exactly to what I said, that you’re worried about the order of the signings before the off-season is over. People thought the market would pick up after Yamamoto and Ohtani were off the board, yet…here we are. Same big names still available more than a week after Yamamoto signs. Plus there’s still trades. If the roster is in the same shape on Feb 1st, then there’s a problem. It’s not a problem yet

Where the 3b, DH and corner outfielders are coming from is the exact same questions as before the signings,so...again I wonder why people are worried about the signings that happened first. Hypothetically, had the Jays already signed Soler, JDM and Chapman(sake of argument) would the same problems with the IKF and KK signings be had?

Quickley is the good get here IMO. Admittedly I dont watch the NBA all that much, but this is a guy that the all the analysts of this trade seem to think could be the one taking the biggest leap. Runner up for 6th man of the year... near 40% shooter from 3pt range, stuck as a backup. Then there's the age thing, Barnes is 22, Quickley is 24, RJ is 23. Just gotta get a good deal done for Siakam now and it's even more of a necessity.

12 innings. 0.3 fWAR. That's a damn fine pen arm. Take that up to 60 innings, which is reasonable, 1.5 fWAR. expecting 1.5-2 wins from a reliever is never a bad thing. I suspect people are getting hung up on the order in which the signings are happening without taking into account where the Jays are on win curve. Like, they're worried that signing IKF before signing a LF, 3B and DH must mean they are no longer looking for them or something. It's a pretty confusing rationale.

I dunno, I think if you’re unsure where the power is going to come from, you pretty much have to stock up on defense as your insurance policy. Pitching +defense and just get in, while not the end goal of course, isn’t a terrible worst case scenario. Yes I still want two bigger bats added.

If the Bauer situation didn’t qualify for termination with cause or any other domestic violence suspensions….what would?