John_Havok

Well yeah, they'd move any player in "the right deal." A contract like Springer's though, they knew when they signed it there was risk attached not just with the inevitable player decline and injury possibility outcomes, but that the contract would likely be untradeable at at certain point due to those risks. Whether or not that point has arrived is debateable. It's not like every other team can't see the exact same risks. The only way George is traded is if Toronto eats a big chunk of money and trades to a lower spending team. Teams that could actually afford his contract wouldn't be in the market for him. Blair is just pulling stuff out of his ass to get clicks.

Understand that in the scenario i presented, the Jays had already signed Ohtani to something north of 10 years 500 million.

Knowing that it might cripple the Jays team 2025 forward? I'm not saying it WOULD do that, just that the chances are definitely higher.

He is signed through 2030, but is 30 next season and really doesn't have a whole lot of upside. He's likely a complete dud going forward.

Because Hurl is incredibly racist and hates Greeks.

Lol yeah, but if there's a better example of an org that has financial flexibility and an already elite roster that could certainly afford to actually spend big one guy.. it would be the Braves. All AA would have to do is sell ownership on the plan to get into the CBT territory this season, and then start pulling a Tampa scenario where he turns over 1 big ticket guy every year(ish) to keep the prospect bin full. It's not like he has a shortage of elite players on very tradeable team friendly deals. Like they could sign Ohtani, and then probably immediately flip Ozuna for a decent haul right away. Morton and Fried both leave via FA after 2024, and youve already paid for Ohtani's salary in 2025 from those 3 guys leaving while recovering assets from the Ozuna deal, and Ohtani replacing 2 of those 3 guys for 2025 on the roster.

the Yankee's and Padres make out like bandits in that scenario. I dont mind the idea of a 3 way deal but it likely wouldn't look anything like that

Talent-wise, sure, it's not close.

That's possible. An offense built around Soto and Ohtani would be insane, but also really starts to run the risk of a "Stars and scrubs" kind of composition given their current expenditures on pitching. But for the next 2 seasons at least the offense could be monstrous. Soto(LF), Bo(SS), Ohtani(DH), Vlad(1B), Springer(RF), Jansen/Kirk ©, Varsho (CF), Schneider (2B), *insert generic 3b here* Play with the order a bit sure, but that's legit. Though in 2026, assuming vlad and Bo walk, youre at 50 million for Ohtani, probably 40 for Soto, 24 for Springer (his final year), 23 million for Gausman (final year), 19 Million for Berrios(and still 2 more years left after that @24). Basically, 156 million for 5 players in 2026. 114 million for 3 players in 2027. If we assume no extensions for any guys currently in house, FAs that would leave after 2025 are Bo, Vlad, Romano, Bassit, Green, Biggio, Mayza, Swanson, and Cabrera. Kikuchi, Yimi, Jansen and Richards would be already be gone. I'd think that 2024 would be the all in year (possibly trading Jansen during the season if Kirk has emerged completely) and then they'd probably want to trade a decent number of guys like Vlad and/or Bo prior to 2025 because by that point the system would be so thin they'd have next to nobody coming up to offset all the big ticket salaries and those might be the only guys you could trade to get legit prospects back. Some of the pen arms would have value too but wouldn't net impact prospects in return most likely. Getting both Ohtani and Soto creates a bloody amazing team, but also sets up the Jays in 2026 and 2027 to look like the 2024 Yankees

How does everyone here feel about targeting Lee from Korea as the LF rather than trading for Soto? Hypothetically I mean... would signing both Lee (4-5 years)and Ohtani(10 years) be "better" from a team standpoint when all it takes is money, vs Ohtani(10)and Soto(1) which costs money and prospects, and you'd only have Soto for 1 year? Is Lee's bat good enough for that to make more sense? Again hypothetically.

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There was a post a week or so ago from a guy claiming inside knowledge from a friend (take it for what it's worth) but that post said Manoah had a shoulder issue in the offseason prior to 2023 and didn't tell the Jays about it, which made things worse.

He wouldn't be able to play the OF the day of pitching, the day after pitching, probably not on his throw day either so...may as well just DH him full time. That's when he's fully healthy. The year after an arm surgery would be the height of stupidity to play him in the OF

Even if he pitches like a 3 for 2025-2030 it's fine. Understanding that whatever length of deal he gets, there's probably a decent chance he'll have some opt outs along the way.

Nah, they will have it structured so he makes either league minimum or slightly more in years 1-3. They won't want to set precedents for base salaries in years 1-3 being any higher than what is bargained. Bonuses may be added on top but they won't go much above min with base salary

You mean the guy who was just claimed on waivers and no longer a Jay?

Not wanting Ohtani just because reasons is stupid. Not wanting Ohtani because you think he might not be worth the money is more defensible, but still pretty hard to actually build a strong case against when you take into account all the other ways Rogers will make money off him.

It really feels like the Dodgers would be unsurprising to land both Ohtani and Yamamoto. They sat out last offseason on virtually everyone of note in order to get under the luxury tax for Ohtani, and still won 100 games. They can now blow their wads on both guys if they like and be 100+ win team in their sleep for the next decade. Might even get to the CS a time or two.

Yeah, trading for 1 year of Soto is scary as hell from a long term team perspective for Toronto.e. You know he's going to free agency. You know he's likely not coming back. Trading the kind of guys it would take to get him only to lose him for a comp pick in round 5 would be exceptionally s*****, unless there's a WS banner hanging.

Hideki Irabu?

For once, we agree

This is gonna sting much more than usual when he signs elsewhere...

It wouldn't be completely all revenue and profit for the team, it would be far more important for ownership and ancillary purposes. Just like any other team signing him, the revenue would be far more impactful on the owners OTHER ventures that they tie into owning their teams. Team revenue and profit would still increase though. Ticket sales would go up, all the crap people buy all around the stadium with his name on it would go up. The ancillary stuff would be Rogers making him the marketing face of their entire digital. The Ohtani streaming package, the Ohtani cell phone plan, the Ohtani appearances at Roger's corporate events they hold at the ballpark, etc.

Well he does pitch pretty well too, for likely at least a few more years. And nobody is just signing him for numbers, the ancillary revenue he generates for whatever team he signs with will be far greater than what he earns.

Dodgers would be a decent landing place for him. Tigers, Mariners maybe?