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I guess not. That was just speculation anyway, I think.

Yeah it's tempting to say that but there is so much recency bias there, and we all know how volatile ERA is If you look at his entire career, there isn't a huge difference. 1015.1 innings. 3.88 3.84 3.83 3.67 3.66 That ^ is the range on his ERA, FIP, xFIP, SIERA, xERA. Yes, none of those are "Ace" numbers especially considering where has pitches, San Diego and the AL Central. I do think Toronto must think they can help him be a bit better.

Yeah most ppl here would need to admit that they (we) want Bo back partially for narrative or feel good reasons. There are better and more efficient moves to make. Bo might come back, we have seen Toronto move inefficiently before when they had to (Vlad, Gimenez trade, etc.), but nobody should really expect it for all of the obvious baseball reasons. I feel like he comes back on a pillow deal like Bregman/Alonso last offseason if his market never develops.

The Jays have only missed on some of the backend SP options like Mitch White The contract value factoring in deferrals is also almost exactly what MLBTR predicted. I think it's hard to characterize this as an overpay when you consider age and focus on the actual AAV. Cease is one year younger than Max Fried was last offseason. Fried got 8 years at $27.25 AAV. Cease is getting 7 with about a $26m AAV. Fried got that ^ after a nearly identical platform year by DIPS and fWAR. Fried is almost the opposite of Cease. Fried being sort of inexplicably good (analysts had a hard time understanding how he kept the ERA so low) while Cease has been inexplicably bad at ERA. Aaron Nola got basically this contract as an EXTENSION two years ago while sitting 92.9 mph Cease is only 30!

Tyler O'Neill for Berrios is fair

Bassitt as the SP5 would be a dream but he probably gets a solid contract. Maybe 2/$30m

I believe he has tried every changeup under the sun but we will see

This honestly reminds me of Zack Wheeler to PHI. Who remembers when Zack Wheeler was kind of an enigma?

They are overreacting to his ERA this year Fangraphs has FIP etc splits for second and third time through the order

Probably but he's been surprisingly consistent if you ignore ERA

fWAR since 2021... Cease and Gausman rank #3 and #4 in MLB.

Cease, Goose, Biebs, Savage, Lauerios is wild

Wtf wow lmao okay Now sign everybody

The first step in having proper discussions here is for us all to admit that we are ALL massive losers. There is no douche and non-douche; no cool kids and uncool kids. There are just smart douchebags and stupid douches. That's it. Govern yourself accordingly. Try to at least avoid being a stupid Blue Jays douche.

The Blue Jays would be checking in on Marte for two reasons: The obvious one that everyone has said. You turn over every stone. For leverage specifically in negotiations with Bo. You don't want Bo Bichette's camp to think you do not have other options. You actually want them to think you can turn to other players - there are other signings and trades available. "Bo's agent is dicking around. Can we leak that we checked in on Ketel Marte? Maybe that will get negotiations moving again."

The cumulative negative value might be similar but the "other stuff" would massively swing it to Rendon IIRC Chris Davis was a good dude who tried and most people legit felt bad for him at some point

Juan "Soto" Sanchez I guess?

LMFAO

it's an interesting career choice you'd think he would just turn into a lefty reliever at this point, there would be an MLB track for that somewhere and he has enough Stuff+ on his FB and secondaries to make it work I suppose the team he is signing with is probably offering him enough over the MLB minimum to make it worthwhile. Hard to say no to guaranteed money when your signing bonus was $75k

I don't think he's going to be that athletic Maybe more on the Willy Adames (good) Paul DeJong (better than nothing) spectrum

Yeah it's nice to see. I'm losing faith in his hitting ability but hopefully he can become a SS with defense and pop.

Will Jake Cook be the first low power, pure CFer in, well, forever to work out for the Blue Jays? Seems like an archetype they draft or acquire every few years but never develop.

Nobody is talking about Bieber because he's not the topic of conversation, that's all. The question is whether it makes sense to bring Scherzer back or do another Scherzer type deal with someone like Verlander. Even if you want to compare their postseasons for some random goal-post moving reason, their playoff stats are not that comparable. Scherzer got incredibly lucky, Bieber had very normal luck and generally deserved his results. Maybe Bieber was helped out a bit by the good defense, on some hard hit balls, but that's about it. Look at the DIPS collectively along with the K-BB rates, then the LOB% and BABIP. SCHERZER BIEBER ERA 3.77 3.86 xERA 4.65 4.49 FIP 5.58 4.26 xFIP 5.44 3.99 SIERA 5.05 3.77 BABIP 0.237 0.321 LOB% 87% 78.90% K-BB% 8.60% 14.50%

Good system.

You can spin any narrative you want around three games He had a 5.58 FIP and 5.44 xFIP in the playoffs. This isn't rocket science.