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I think even the negative nancies did not expect Toronto to be this bad The worst realistic expectation would be closer to a .500 team that misses the playoffs and has an awkward trade deadline decision this many games under .500 on June 26th with 5% playoff odds is horrendous when compared to preseason projections but, blessing in disguise if it can lead to the front office and coaching staff getting sorted and the rebuild process accelerating

Yeah it's hard to disagree with anything he says I was cautiously optimistic on this team and Atkins before this season. I thought there was a chance that the offense in 2023 was a blip and the farm would prove stronger than people thought. I still think the "no playoff wins" thing is a cheap shot since the postseason in baseball is just plinko anyway. Turns out that 2023 was not a blip. There are fundamental issues with the way this team coaches and curates talent. Hard to see it any other way. Even if you give Atkins a pass on the MLB roster and say "bullpens are f***ing random and the offense being bad is mostly Vlad, Bo, Kirk, and Springer's fault. the GM doesn't play the games" that does not explain the piss poor drafting and developmental record which doesn't look any better as this season goes along.

Yeah but it's specifically that 6th year that makes it an overpay. AAV not super relevant. 5/$125 would have been fine. Imagine of 2025 was the last year for Springer here? That would be nice. f***. Hopefully he can figure something out and at least return to a 1.8 WAR player. Just hit .250 with 20 homers please.

Yeah they could also ship out those guys I doubt anyone wants Bassitt for that money though... And Gausman, seems like a bad time to sell. I dunno.

Did they ever want to play here? Ryu was an overpay Springer was an overpay Toronto was likely the highest bidder for Gausman and Bassitt They paid IKF a lot in that market Turner was the worst of the offseason DH options. It doesn't seem like Pederson or JDM had any interest in Toronto. KK signed here because Toronto offered him playing time. Maybe that the team was good was part of his decision. They had to trade for Berrios and Varsho Bo and Vlad have not extended Nobody has extended. Not Jansen, not anybody. Nobody wants to play up here.

I don't really agree Berrios is pitching like an SP5 anyway Bo would be a big hole but the team would have lots of money to replace him with... some other position player in free agency Almost every other name is a pending FA anyway, or someone with a role that is easier to fill like a reliever Yeah the farm system probably cannot replace all of those names so the powers that be would need to start wheeling and dealing for depth on the margins

I feel like this is part of my ideal trade deadline. - Vlad extension and the number is not gross - Bo gets hot and gets traded - Berrios contract moved - Yimi, Jansen, Kikuchi all traded for decent prospects - Richards moved for whatever - Romano gets healthy and gets traded for a decent prospect - IKF, Turner, KK, Green all traded for a B prospect or at least have most of their contracts absorbed Caveat being that the trades need to be handled by Shapiro or Click, or otherwise in some way where it's not desperate Ross Atkins actually pulling the trigger on anything. And I would hate to see every trade get 2025 tunnel vision. Take some lower minors prospects with upside. Of course, all of that ^ will not happen. It's too many trades to pull off. But maybe most of it can happen. They probably would not be able to move most of the deadweight veterans.

It's really s***** Maybe Shapiro needs to be... more involved in the baseball side?

It would be more direct to just ask jaysblue for a handjob because it's coming

if only he signed tee-oscar!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's positive (kind of nice) that the path was made so clear There is a blessing in that No more fooling around or pretending that they have a chance Let the healing process begin. Closure.

I would guess that ownership will just give their employee Mr. Atkins a mandate, such as: 1. field offers for these players, don't bother fielding offers for Vlad we don't want him dealt 2. any trade of player x, y, z needs ownership approval 3. any trade of players a, b, c only require Shapiro approval The real downside is that there is nobody who has to capacity, ability, and freedom to make the big forward thinking moves. To pull of a quick and decisive rebuild this team would probably need to trade Bo and also do very well in the trade. That is not going to happen. I mean it could happen in the offseason but by the trade deadline is such an awesome pinch point for sellers these days.

Can dump a couple of bats for picks or prospects Cedric Mullins David Hamilton Jorge Polanco Polanco the cheapest of course. Would need something of substance for the other two. Could also package 2/3 of them for 1 player. Alternatively could ship our Verdugo or Varsho in some kind of deal.

wat r u talking about, oneel crooz is a prodigy

This is on the player pages on Fantrax. Transactions, fantasy. Oct 2 2023 Kept by Rob Manfred Past seasons Aug 18 2023 Traded to Rob Manfred Rob Manfred trades away Logan Allen Marcus Stroman Shane Bieber Oneil Cruz Jeremy Pena Bryan De La Cruz Seniors Circuit trades away Christian Walker Gunnar Henderson Aaron Nola Oct 6 2022 Kept by Seniors Circuit Feb 3 2022 Traded to Seniors Circuit Seniors Circuit trades away Eduardo Escobar Taylor Rogers Yasmani Grandal The Five Year Plan trades away Nick Anderson 2022 Draft Pick, Round 3 Pick 10 2022 Draft Pick, Round 1 Pick 10 Gunnar Henderson Diego Cartaya Elias Diaz Jake Woodford Oct 4 2021 Kept by The Five Year Plan Mar 2 2021 Drafted by The Five Year Plan Round 3, pick 4 Truly a brutal trade lmao.

I knowwwwwwwwww they don't fit anywhere

Hey my farm is good

lmao 2.93 ERA, 3.47 FIP he's going to be good isn't he they kept some of the worst pitchers in MLB instead of him

It's not rocket science Guillermo is the main hitting coach and Mattingly is the offensive coordinator or whatever and the big persona on the bench. Mattingly is on record saying that "damage is a scary word." Mense and Hague are minor employees. They probably don't even have the authority or control to bear any of this responsibility. They may be good or bad, it doesn't even matter. Martinez and Mattingly NEED to f***ing go. If the org keeps the other two, whatever. They might be decent lower level hitting coaches who would help underneath a proper system. The MUST BE FIRED list for me would include: Atkins, Schneider, Mattingly, Guillermo Joe Sclafani: Director, Player Development Shane Farrell: Director, Amateur Scouting And maybe Lacava and Tinnish. And of course any other bad seeds in the scouting, player development, baseball operations, advanced analytics, advanced scouting / game prep departments.

They don't even have a single good healthy reliever right now

Yeah he looks like a real asset just wonder how good the D is? if it's slick, Bo should be traded 100% f*** his performance and waiting for a rebound he still has his entire track record, he has good value

If it was JUST the offense underperforming I could still see a sliver of hope but with the bullpen being completely toast, Berrios pitching like an SP5, Gausman like an SP3.... no f***ing shot this year at all Spencer Horwitz might lead the team in WAR in 350 PA The funny thing now is that the offense actually should not be that bad going forward. They can sort of roll out 8 or 9 above average hitters most nights. wRC+ Horwitz 2B - 197 Varsho CF - 103 Schneider LF - 115 Jansen C - 109 Vlad 1b - 125 Turner DH - 109 IKF 3B - 108 Bo SS - 87 but should be better than that c'mon Pretty much just RF that is questionable, Springer looking like a corpse and Barger being a hacker. I say just play Barger of course, he's having okay PAs most of the time and hitting the ball hard. Barger 99 projected wRC+, Springer 104 to 110 but projections lag.... I'd be money that's a top half offense rest of way! lmao

The one thing you never know is how much of the stat-sheet power is actual pop and how much is legs Some guys can run a near .200 ISO in the minor leagues on legs alone. Just legging out doubles and triples and getting infield hits. That's the main concern with Jimenez. Could just be Santiago Espinal with a bit more speed. Although, he's not a speedster by SB or BABIP or scouting grades so maybe he really does just have 50 power and the scouts who put a 40 on his raw power were wrong??? Or, steroids.

Everything Atkins does either SUCKS or feels like it sucks until you drink the kool-aid and convince yourself that it did not suck. Which, to his credit, sometimes the kool-aid is right. Turner - sucks. no kool-aid. IKF - feels sucky. but the kool-aid is right. Varsho trade - feels sucky, trading #1 prospect for .220 hitter, but maybe the kool-aid is right because Moreno is meh. Teoscar trade - feels sucky, kool-aid tasted okay last year, then Swanson retired to AAA and it doesn't taste as good but wait Adam Macko kool-aid is coming! Springer - The inverse Atkins. Exciting and feels good at first, but the kool-aid is rancid. Bassitt trade - feels sucky. innings-eater kool-aid takes the edge off though. Berrios trade/extension - feels sucky, then kool-aid of innings eating helps, then he gets hammered because he's an SP4 and it feels sucky again Kikuchi - feels sucky, did suck, then he made his own kool-aid One of the only things he has done that just seemed good right away and has been great was the Gausman signing. Everything else is either ick or feels ick at times. Just a bunch of f***ing icks.

Jackson Merrill age 20 in AA 104 wRC+, 11.8% K rate, 8.5% walk rate age 21 in MLB 122 wRC+, 16% K rate, 5% walk rate Good example of why age vs. level and plat disc. stats are so f***ing important It is possible to be a complete stud, borderline franchise player, and only have a 105 wRC+ or so in AA